The Springer files

[Terrygrey]

Well, the other thread is a bit hard to follow since the BS supporters for springer like Sifuabel, omar and ronin keep derailing the thread and throwing insults, yet won't simply answer a simple questions.

So to make it easier.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terrygrey
Back to topic,

The question "WHO IS JACK SPRINGER'S HUNG GAR TEACHER AND WHAT IS HIS LINEAGE"?

Answer from springer and his BS supporters: Dodge the question, attack the person asking, and attack others for providing the answer or info.

Answer based on info from this thread, and supported by behaviour of springer and his BS supporters:

JACK SPRINGER HAS NO REAL LEGITIMATE LINEAGE TO WONG FEI HUNG HUNG GAR. (Therefore he should not try to 'imply' that he does. Reasonable?)

Case closed?

If the BS supporters claim this 'conclusion' or answer is wrong, then WHAT IS/ARE THEY CLAIMING IS THE 'REAL' ANSWER? They have thrown insults, trolled yet not answered the simple questions.
If the BS supporters want to defend springer and claim this answer false, then just NAME THE TEACHER SPRINGER CONSIDERS HIS 'REAL' HUNG GAR TEACHER, AND NAME THE LINEAGE. Simple, and no need to try to change the subject. No need to throw insults.
Got the guts, then answer the question!

And regarding Southern mantis, why don't you BS supporters stop attacking Jo and Lam Tong Long for providing info? If you BS supporters claim the info is wrong, then why don't you provide the answer you consider 'real' to this question:

WHO IS JACK SPRINGER'S SOUTHERN MANTIS TEACHER, AND WHAT LINEAGE?

BS supporters, if you got the guts, then answer the simple questions!

[Terrygrey]

Well BS. supporters like Omar and sifuabel, you don't need to come to this thread and troll it with your BS, unless you want to simply answer the simple questions.

If you BS supporters have the guts, and if you have 'real substance' to defend springer with, then answer the simple questions with "springer's side of the story", yeah what you BS supporters and springer consider or claim to be the 'real' answers.

1.WHO IS JACK SPRINGER'S HUNG GAR TEACHER AND WHAT IS HIS LINEAGE?

2.WHO IS JACK SPRINGER'S SOUTHERN MANTIS TEACHER, AND WHAT LINEAGE?

Cut the insults and the trolling, and put up the "real answers" you want to claim, eh?

Here's the opportunity to present the 'springer's real claims'.

Got the guts?

[Terrygrey]

What info was already presented.
jo
Registered User Join Date: Jan 1970
Posts: 111

Whacko Jacko
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Jack got a few Hung Gar forms from Bill Chung who got them from Gin Foon Mark.

Thats it. A few forms, thats all. No complete curriculim, no real linage. Just a mish-mosh of forms.

Chung was allowed to hang with the Masons because he was born in America and was useful for answering mail and running errands for the old men who spoke no English.

Chung opened a school in New Jersey where he beat and abused poor lofans like Jack and called it "training". Chung also told tall tales of streetfighting and triads to the suckers who lapped it up like Gospel.

Jack is a common barroom brawler with some size and speed, but he has NOTHING when it comes to SPM. He claims he had an "unamed" Chu Gar teacher is the 1980's and then he was a video correspondence student of Steve Richards when Steve was calling Roger Hagood "Sifu" LOL! Then Jack went over to England to see Lee Lien and got the ENTIRE LYS system "transmitted" to him a few hours! LOL!!!

That Jack, he's always good for a chuckle as his story as changed so many times over the years, that he tripping over his lies left and right these days. He plays the lame card that he set "traps" over the years to confuse people with his lies. Hilarious.

-jo
And,

05-05-2007, 08:56 PM

jo
Registered User Join Date: Jan 1970
Posts: 111

No Respect At ALL
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Jack and Steve managed to embarass themselves to no end over the LYS debacle.

First, Steve claims to be of the Ho Sing line, with the two of them crowing about Ho Sing being the "challenge fighter" of the clan, the REAL DEAL KICKASS MO-FO!!! In other words, the inference is that Jack and Steve are getting the "inside the door good stuff" with Jack getting his via Video Cassette from Steve. Then a few months later, Jack and Steve say that Ho Sing was a only minor player and that Lee Lien was the REAL DEAL.

Their pattern of hypocrisy is amazing. One day they have a direct conduit to the "challenge fighter" of the pai, and then they throw him under the bus as someone not worthy of their time. Hilarious. Funny how none of thier followers fail to see the hypocrisy and outright lies these two tell.

Not long ago, Steve was calling Roger Hagood "Sifu"!!! He did it in his book and on the internet! Steve and Jack were learning SPM via Hagood's Video Cassette Class. Then they started a "private" online forum where they plotted against Hagood! Hypocrisy and lies are the coin of their realm.

So THEN they decide to suck up to Lee Lein. Jack and Steve concoct the scheme to make Jack "the USA Representative" of LYS. Even though Jack had NEVER MET Lee Lein!!! AMAZING!!! He was made a "USA Rep" of a system he learned via Video Cassette from Steve!

Then Jack visits Lee Lien, and he claims that the LYS hand was "trasmitted" to him by Lee Lien in a matter of hours.

But Jack and Steve forget that they had debunked the notion of "hand to hand transmission" a few months earlier on many forums!!! HAR HAR HAR!!!! I

While Jack was in the UK, he met up with a bunch of his followers. He NEVER SHOWED ANY SPM OF ANY KIND to them. All he did was his demonstrate his Barroom Brawling 101 and US ARMY Basic Training 101. We have all seen his pathetic video on YouTube.

Then Jack announces that he has no respect for Lee Lien and the LYS pai. Wheres the love, Jack?

These two manipulated Lee Lien and dragged his pai into a ****storm he, and they, did not deserve just for satisfy thier morally bankrupt, yet massively inflated egos.


-jo

[Terrygrey]

08-22-2002, 10:59 PM
springerfist
Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 6

You need to stop making fun of Jack. He learned under William Chung, not Bill Chan. After 30 years of hardcore training, Jack mastered Toison fu hok tong long. Yes, he mastered both hung gar and jook lum simultaneously. He can't give all the credit to Chung sifu though, or his sigung Mark. Chung sifu only taught him a few basic san saos and a 3 step form maybe. Due to his great genius, Jack figured out the rest of JL himself. Even though his sifu stopped teaching him, he showed his sifu that hands-on training is a Chinese fairytale requirement. He got everything he needed from Mark's videos and extensive internet research. Based on those videos and meeting Mark over 20 years ago, he clearly sees that Mark is no match for him.
Jack has extensive chow gar training as well, he has every one of Whitrod's tapes. Now he knows that Whitrod's "wooden arms" are no match for his springer fist. And he knows that Yip Sui polluted the system with forms because he was there when Yip Sui was learning from Lao Sui. He knows what Lao Sui taught and didn't teach. Facts, baby. What a hoot
He even picked up 13 roads through video training- no easy task. He earned his sifu status! And 13 + 3 = 18, right? What a hoot.

Unlike Lam Sang, he has quite a fighting resume as well. If he had showed up to fight Ralek, he certainly would have won. Lucky for Ralek, he didn't.
He knows Lam is lying because he was there when Lam entered the temple and when he left. Had to help Lam up after he lost those fights. Facts, baby, not hearsay. Jack knows these things firsthand.
And he ain't no hyppocrite either. He may show up to Minn or Houston to shut down a few schools, without warning. You can bet he will be at Poo Yee's seminar and any demo Mark does in baltimore. He ain't no hyppocrite.
So don't mess with him, or else you'll have to face gingerfist, hideous, hakkaeye, ML all at once.

[Terrygrey]

Now we can watch the BS supporters try to dodge the question, or derail this thread. But the info is there for all to see. LOL


If you BS supporters have the guts, and if you have 'real substance' to defend springer with, then answer the simple questions with "springer's side of the story", yeah what you BS supporters and springer consider or claim to be the 'real' answers.

1.WHO IS JACK SPRINGER'S HUNG GAR TEACHER AND WHAT IS HIS LINEAGE?

2.WHO IS JACK SPRINGER'S SOUTHERN MANTIS TEACHER, AND WHAT LINEAGE?

Cut the insults and the trolling, and put up the "real answers" you want to claim, eh?

Here's the opportunity to present the 'springer's real claims'.

Got the guts?

[Dale Dugas]

Again for the hundreth time.

Why do you care. You call us trolls yet post drivel again and again and again. asking the same questions.

You are not going to train with him as you have been badmouthing him since you started this line of faulted inquiry on another forum where they banned you.

So you came here and ask the same inane questions and then sign them "do you have the guts"?

His teacher is Bill Chung. He learned his forms from him.

Pretty much the need to keep posting this is not there any longer.

Funny, you talk about do we have the guts. How about yourself, do you have the guts to come forward with what I have been asking since you started posting here?

Who are you?

What experience do you have that gives you the ability to call BS on everyone and anyone who asks you to man up?

And you call us trolls?

And before you start hollering BS Supporter, Bs Supporter. You were the one who called me a fraud. A non entity who refuses to prove they are not some pimply faced little boy calling out and "proving" Im a fraud along with other well known people who have been posting on the CMA for years.

Funny, isnt it?

You are not going to win. either with your pathetic verbal word fights nor real gong sau as you have no skill in either venue.

[rogue]

Who is Terry Grey and why are his underroos in a wad? Did Springer take his girl or milk money or something?

[Mr Punch]

He an insane rambling drivel peddlar.

I would have thought from reading some of JS Springer's posts in an idle moment that as they seem to have that much in common that regardless of any lineage bull5h!t they should get on like a house on fire.

But unfortunately it seems that Springer went to town on his mom, and this really ****ed off the unfortunate foul-mouthed child as that's what he'd wanted to do.

And so you have KFM and a loony springing up threads left right and centre full of crap.

Are all the mods on holiday or something? Jesus. Ban these fu(kers already.

[sanjuro_ronin]

**** Terry, did you toss John's salad and he never called you back ???
Dude, get a life.

[Black Jack II]

**** Terry, did you toss John's salad and he never called you back ???
Dude, get a life

LOL.

Sorry, but that made me almost spit up my coffee.