Kung Fu in MMA

[Water Dragon]

Check this guy out, I was pretty impressed. The Kung Fu guy has real good stand up. The skinny Mexican guy is my old coach, Miguel Torres.

round 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rnEa...8%2D4451%2Db0d

round 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_ah8...8%2D4451%2Db0d

round 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6G8g...8%2D4451%2Db0d

[LeeCasebolt]

I wish, for Torres' sake, there were more opportunities for smaller fighters on the big stage.

Charles Wilson (the kung fu guy) has a 4-5 pro mma record, 8-0 as an amateur. Or so sayeth FCFighter.com, anyway. He would've done himself a favor to use the side kick more and the crescent/axe kick less, but it was a great performance against a guy who's 31-1.

[Black Jack II]

Miguel Torres is supposed to be the shiznit. I have heard a lot of good things about him.

[Etrikkin]

I've watch mma stuff for awhile now.
Mostly main stream fights.
Anyway, I can't figure out why the don't let kung fu of any type in the ring more often. i mean hell mma is about as close as you can get to a street fight with a reff lol.
By mma i mean UFC, Pride and other main stages.

[Water Dragon]

Wilson did extremely well against Torres. You really have to see some of Miguel's earlier fights to realize how good Wilson is.

I'm kinda suprised this hasn't generated more discussion. 8 out of ten threads here are CMA vs. MMA, and here's a video fo two guys at the top of their game showing just that.

*shrug*

[BlueTravesty]

I'm waiting for someone to claim it isn't kung fu that helped him last as long as he did. Like Shaolin friggin' chuan fa isn't about as kung fu as it gets. Though really, if people can tout Jason DeLucia as being a "kung fu expert" then I don't see why they would have any problem with calling this guy a kung fu practitioner.

At any rate, it's obvious that he cross-trained in grappling, which is commendable. Everyone who plans on fighting should, and though he lost, he had a nice sprawl. It just goes to show that the only way to "anti-grapple" is to train in grapplng. I loved how Torres went down and Wilson took the sensible route and didn't fall on his opponent... at least till he got taken down :P Nice stuff

On a side note, that "slightly tilted to the side stance" is awfully similar to how my Sifu sparred (*sniff* I miss kung fu ) except he tended to keep his guard a bit higher and closer to the side of his face.

[LeeCasebolt]

Anyway, I can't figure out why the don't let kung fu of any type in the ring more often.

You can't let people in if they don't ask in. There's been a dearth of CMA competitors in MMA for the last thirteen years, a trend which is now reversing itself.

[diego]

good fight

[SevenStar]

I've watch mma stuff for awhile now.
Mostly main stream fights.
Anyway, I can't figure out why the don't let kung fu of any type in the ring more often. i mean hell mma is about as close as you can get to a street fight with a reff lol.
By mma i mean UFC, Pride and other main stages.

They don't let kung fu in the ring because most Kung fu guys are too deadly to compete in mma. My opinion, anyway.

[SifuAbel]

Troll, a mod troll at that.

[shaolinassassin]

hello all,

just wanted to come on here and reply to some of the posts on here...

I am from the Tsai system of Chuan Fa. My fighting is a mix of all of the kung fu i learned from Master Tsai and his Black Sashes. I am lucky in that Master Tsai focused more on fighting and that is how I approach my Chuan Fa.

As far as the Torres fight goes, I feel like i should have won. The fight, for the most part, went exactly according to plan. I knew exactly what he was going to do. My two errors were that I didn't go at 100%, I didn't go for the kill when i had the chance. I give him his due because he execucted when he needed to.

PangQuan, I do not crosstrain per se. my ground is just an extentioin of what i do standing up. i went to a bjj place for a couple of months (because the guy wanted to manage me in MMA) but all i got out of it was a busted arm. On occasion, i workout with my current managers and pick up tidbits here and there.
I like the ground for MMA, but when all is said and done, it is still a sport. It is different from self defense in that you cant use all of your weapons or resources like strikes to the back of the head/spine, pressure points etc.

all in all, i like the MMA, its about as close to testing yourself and you can get these days. i still do American Kickboxing, Tae Kwon Do and even some point sparring. I believe my kung fu can translate to any combat fighting scenario.
My MMA record is where it is because i havent yet figured out a specific style to fight in MMA and that my training partners are my students and i only get to go about 50% on them. Once i get back to fighting how i always fight and not worrying about winning/losing, grappling or any of the other nonsense that gets in the way of our art, i should do much better.

Tsaichimantis and Royal Dragon - do i know you from Iron Fist? are you still involved in the chicago martial arts scene? Let me know

[Royal Dragon]

I don't know if you know me or not. I was at Iron Fist West in the late 90's when Sifu Kathyrn ran it. I was at Tsai's school early to mid 90's not too long before they closed the Irving Pk school.

I am doinng a totally different style now, and to be honest i really don't remember much from Tsai's system. I do remember Sif Percy running and jumping around throwing fire in his Mortal Combat outfit though!!

and Gia Spencer chastising me for throwing in out of the box random techniques when we were supposed to be drilling something specific (My partner kept initiateing it). As well as a number of other silly and fun things, but I can't remember the curriculem...except for those killer abb exercises that is...I'm still hurting from those!

[unkokusai]

You have yet to address the issue of your inability to use the quote function.

[Royal Dragon]

QUOTE:
You have yet to address the issue of your inability to use the quote function.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Any system can be applied effectively to the MMA arena, if it is trained that way.
We have seen TKD, WC, Kyokushin, etc, etc.

At what point does a system stop being that system within the MMA environment?

I would say when what makes said system unique is no longer present.

You can't say that TKD won you a MMA match when you didn't throw one kick that made a difference and won VIA an Arm bar.