Kung Fu in MMA

[SifuAbel]

i think this is just the beginning of a coming trend.

there are more kungfu guys mixing it up with the mma crowd than some might think.

anyone who has studied CMA in depth at all knows there are deffinate effective qualities to CMA.

its just a matter of time before other people notice this. as well as kungfu guys utilizing this in an mma environment.

i see the kungfu/mma cross over as an inevitability.

almost seemed that wilson may have just had a flavor torrez wasnt quite used to, torrez just had to figure out the equation and solve the problem with a submission.

what he said...........

[unkokusai]

Why? They've already been discussed to death. And always to the same conclusion.

"He may have studied KF for 1000 years but since he took two weeks of BJJ it doesn't count."

No end to the 'ol insecurity, and its inevitable byproducts.

[Black Jack II]

He may have studied KF for 1000 years but since he took two weeks of BJJ it doesn't count

I want to mee the cat who studied kung fu for a thousand years. I bet he has one hell of a supplement program to be that old.

[Royal Dragon]

Ginseng, all he takes is Ginseng!!

[SevenStar]

Why? They've already been discussed to death. And always to the same conclusion.

"He may have studied KF for 1000 years but since he took two weeks of BJJ it doesn't count."

so name someone besides cung le, who has 20 years of wrestling. I tried to say delucia, who has a decent record, and every cma guy on this forum said he wasn't a real cma

[SevenStar]

i think this is just the beginning of a coming trend.

there are more kungfu guys mixing it up with the mma crowd than some might think.

anyone who has studied CMA in depth at all knows there are deffinate effective qualities to CMA.

its just a matter of time before other people notice this. as well as kungfu guys utilizing this in an mma environment.

i see the kungfu/mma cross over as an inevitability.

it will never happen. kung fu will always be in the minority within the mma venue. it doesn't have to be, but it will be.

[Royal Dragon]

I don't buy that. I think it is just a matter of time before you start seeing good CMA in MMA. It's going to happen slowly, but it will happen.

If you think about it, CMA needs to do 2 things, invert the amount of time spent on forms with two man work and Sparr more, and work thier anti takedown skills more.

That is all that is needed, everythig else is there. We got striking, Kicking joint manipulations, throwing, ground and pound, it's all there. It just needs to be unzipped and worked.

We even have our own venues to hone skills in prior to entering the MMA venues.

[Knifefighter]

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If you think about it, CMA needs to do 2 things,

Get rid of forms altogether.
Learn groundfighting.

Anti-grappling won't get you far in MMA.

[Royal Dragon]

I don'tthink yoou need to get rid of forms all together...although originally forms were only for the trainers to organise a curriculem. Also were more ment to maintian skills than develop them in the first place.

Kung Fu has grapeling, and throwing, just not the ground stufff like BJJ.

[lkfmdc]

Get rid of forms altogether.
Learn groundfighting.

Anti-grappling won't get you far in MMA.

I agree that forms won't get you anywhere as far as learning to fight

I agree you need to learn ground fighting

But let's stop to discuss "anti grappling" for a minute

Teh term comes from "Kahm Na" (translated often as grappling) and "FAAN Kahm Na" (which is thus translated as "anti grappling")

The "FAAN" means to reverse or counter. Sure, mired in mysticism and BS it becomes all so much crap

In practical application, much of it is standard grappling fare

1. hand fighting
2. pummeling
3. hip movement
4. level control
5. snap downs

IE, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater

[golden arhat]

I don't buy that. I think it is just a matter of time before you start seeing good CMA in MMA. It's going to happen slowly, but it will happen.

If you think about it, CMA needs to do 2 things, invert the amount of time spent on forms with two man work and Sparr more, and work thier anti takedown skills more.

That is all that is needed, everythig else is there. We got striking, Kicking joint manipulations, throwing, ground and pound, it's all there. It just needs to be unzipped and worked.

We even have our own venues to hone skills in prior to entering the MMA venues.

i think all CMA would bbenefit if sparring was done san da style with smaller gloves

u are right we have alot of good stuff here and we are too caught up in forms and technicalities if we trained harder and more realisticly alot of the applications might end up working outside of the kwoon

basically everything we think we know in cma should be stripped apart and put back together again to make it more relevant
(a good example would be alan orr's wing chun club here in the uk what e did woas take mma takedowns etc and take most of the boxing away replacing it with wing chun)
we need to take the application 2 man sets with a pinch of salt also
i think we kid ourselves too much when it comes to them
so yeah
thats how i think cma could have a real future as a "martial" art
otherwise its doomed

[golden arhat]

Get rid of forms altogether.
Learn groundfighting.

Anti-grappling won't get you far in MMA.

yeah that too
aniti grappling has its place and i certainly find it useful

i think forms need ALOT less emphasis
and when performed should be done kinda like shadow boxing is done more as a tool to help when u fight than something to show off with

[SifuAbel]

There is no such thing as anti-grappling.

[SifuAbel]

Form work is a tool. Like any tool, its used for a purpose. Getting rid of it, or not, is a moot point.

Because:

What CMA REALLYneeds is people who are not 3 hour a week hobbyists to do it seriously enough to compete. If its not your "job" or even a second "job" then don't expect to be effective.

Note my sig:

[Black Jack II]

If its not your "job" or even a second "job" then don't expect to be effective

Wow rudy, that has to be the most honest example of cma I have ever heard and also at the same time the most ****ing.

If you find that to be the case, why on anyone's count, would anyone ever, in a million years, ever bother wasting time on something that is so a$$backwards that you have to make it your "job" to be effective in self defense.