Originally Posted by
The Xia
We are talking about the survival of Kung Fu as fighting arts.
same thing applies. you have people teaching that have never been in a fight in their adult lives. but many of these same people are teaching fighting skills. since many people do not test themselves, they are training under the assumption that they are learning how to fight.
No fair! Using deleted posts in your argument!
Anyway, I deleted that post and made a much larger one that addresses that issue, albeit, without the Fu Jow example. Anyway, to elaborate on my point I’ll use Wong Fei Hung-Hung Gar as an example. Wong Fei Hung-Hung Gar is built upon the four pillar sets and related conditioning. Sei Ping Ma, Iron Rings, Sam Sing drills, and Iron Hand are all found in the Wong Fei Hung-Hung Gar curriculum. The style’s internal-work is highlighted in the Tid Sin Kuen set. It’s a high level set that requires a solid foundation in the style to learn. The other three pillar sets are Gung Jee Fuk Fu Kuen, Sup Ying Kuen (or Ng Ying Kuen for some lineages), and the Fu Hok Seung Kuen. Depending on the lineage, other sets may be present. But the sets I mentioned are called the four pillars. There are similarities between Wong Fei Hung-Hung Gar and other Southern styles. That’s because of historical relationships. But I think you can plainly see that Wong Fei Hung-Hung Gar is not similar to MMA. All you have to do is watch the sets I mentioned. I mentioned Fu Jow in my deleted post. But that’s just one technique. I don’t see MMA guys using the Ten Killing Hands. That’s because it’s not in the style of MMA. If you look at the training methods, techniques and concepts of Wong Fei Hung-Hung Gar, it is very different from MMA.
mma has techniques cma doesn't have as well. but watch them fight and what do you see?
I mentioned BJJ as the exception I've seen.
I would add wrestling and mt to that list.
The difference is that MMA fights are all over TV.
the difference is that there aren't as many cma competing.
I have seen videos of modern Muay Thai guys using banana trees. I can’t say if it’s common though. Anyway, about heavy bags, the bottom is hard. Heavy bags are usually hung from the ceiling. I don’t see how a heavy bag (even the bottom) can condition as well as something like a banana tree. Especially since banana trees are rooted in the ground. I would find that a more stable target if my purpose was to condition my shins. I also remember reading that some Muay Thai guys used to condition their forearms with pipes. I don’t see MMA guys doing that!
bananna bags are like six feet tall. you can rest the bottom of it in a tire and it is plenty stable for conditioning. repeated striking causes the filling to settle at the bottom. when this happens, you turn the bag upside down. look at any footage of a camp and you will see loads of heavy bags, not trees. from what I have seen and heard, kicking trees would be in the vast minority.
That may be the case. But they are still sport arts. If you look at styles like Bak Mei, Hung Gar, or Choy Lay Fut, they are designed to kill and cripple your opponent. They are a response to a violent environment. Although you don’t have to use them for that, that’s what they were designed and used for. A good practitioner should know how to use them to that end if he needs to.
it was not a sport at that time. however, this is where the too deadly thing tends to come in...
It’s only natural for resentment to be met with resentment. But take a look at how I said traditionalists should deal with the growth of MMA.
resentment from whom? mma didn't start it.
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