Actually, that happens too with the organization...it's just hush hush to the outside world.Originally Posted by Mega-Foot
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Actually, that happens too with the organization...it's just hush hush to the outside world.
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There is no shaolin in ussd system. If there was any shaolin in their system they wouldn't be the laughing stock of the martial arts community.USSD claim they teach shaolin, but where is it?
I didn't know pinons and katas 1-6 were shaolin?
Two man fist set is an ed parker form which Fred Villari got back in the 60 training with him.
So where's the shaolin?
Is Charles mattera lying to all his students about what they are learning?
Then what else is he lying about?
He lies about everything. He claims he ran villari's and that ussd has been around since 1968.
He didn't start training tell 1971 under Brown belt Larry Mangone. Dont trust a word that comes out of his lying mouth
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try learning the history of ussd,, villari started ussd and then changed it to f.v.d.s.s.d, i don't know the exact year that it started but i know for a fact it was u.s.s.d. before it was f.v.s.s.d.
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Where is it that we can find a legitimate history of USSD?
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This is from Master Ken Warners web site http://www.evolutionkarate.com/KempoHistory.html
He was with United Studios tell 2000. I don't know why he left but in 2000 is when Mattera started the 66% ussd schools so that might be it.
1967 Fred Villari began training with Nick Cerio.
1969 Fred Villari earned his Black Belt from Nick Cerio.
1971 Nick Cerio went to Hawaii to train with William Chow. At this time Chow awarded Cerio his 5th Degree Black Belt. Cerio would go on to formulate his own system. Up until this time he taught Karazenpo as he had learned it from George Pesare, with some modifications and additions.
1971 Fred Villari left Nick Cerio and started his own school in Dedham, MA. By this time he was a 2nd Degree Black Belt. He initially called his organization "United Studios of Self Defense" but changed it to "Fred Villari's Studios of Self Defense" after a lawsuit in 1978. Larry Mangone was a fellow student and friend of Villari at the time and left with with him. By this time the system included 1-6 Kata, 1-5 Pinan, Statue of the Crane, Hon Suki and the combinations up to 26.
1971-1988 Fred Villari formulated his system of Shaolin Kempo and proliferated the system through Fred Villari's Studios of Self Defense. By 1975 he added all the combinations from 27 to 50, and the forms, Two Man Fist Set, Sho Tun Kwok, Nengli South, Nengli North, Swift Tigers, Invincible Wall and Five Dragons Face the Four Winds. Then some time between 1982 and 1987 he added the remainder of the combinations from 51 to 108, and the forms, Branches of the Falling Pine, Lost Leopard, Tai Sing Mon, 1000 Buddhas and Snake. Finally, some time after 1991 he added the forms Immortal Monkey and Wounded Tigers. Swift Tigers is a form Nick Cerio created that he called "Circle of the Panther." Two Man Fist Set came from the Parker system. No one knows for sure where the rest of this material all came from. In all likelihood, Villari made it all up. Some people say that Fred Villari worked with Nick Cerio to put together combinations 27 through 39. This may be possible - according to Alan Cunningham and others, Villari and Cerio did continue to work together to some extent for the first few years after Villari went on his own. But regardless of where it all came from, this material is unique to the Villari system and its splinter organizations.
Until 1971 the material up to Black Belt comprised the whole of the Karazenpo system. The Black Belt Society originally formulated Kajukenbo to be the most effective self defense system in the world. They were not interested in creating a system that anyone would study for a lifetime. When Sonny Gascon began teaching in 1958 he did so with the knowledge of a First Degree Black Belt because that was all that existed. Pesare, Cerio and Villari each also began teaching with the same amount of knowledge. Fred Villari added all the forms and techniques beyond First Degree Black Belt in his system. Cerio, Pesare, Gascon and Emperado would do the same with their systems.
1975 Steve DeMasco began training with Larry Mangone in Brockton, MA. He had already had experience in boxing and also trained with George Mattson in Uechi-Ryu Karate for roughly two years. DeMasco claimed he started his Kempo training in 1973. However, Al Cunningham, who also trained with Larry Mangone, states that DeMasco began in 1975, and in fact Cunningham was DeMasco's instructor until the rank of Brown Belt.
1982 Steve DeMasco earned his 4th Degree Black Belt from Fred Villari and his instructor certification in Praying Mantis Kung Fu.
1985 Steve DeMasco became the regional director for the Villari system in Connecticut and was promoted to 5th Degree Black Belt.
1986 Ken Warner began his Kempo training in East Haven, CT in late August of this year.
1988 Charlie Mattera left Fred Villari and started his own chain of schools called United Studios of Self Defense. This sparked a chain reaction. Most of the top Black Belts in the Villari system would follow suit. Fred Bagley, Cal Carozzi, Jimmy Bryant, Bob Nohelty, Jim Brassard and ultimately Steve DeMasco would all leave Fred Villari.
1988 Steve DeMasco earned his 6th Degree Black Belt.
1989 Ken Warner established the Kempo club at Wesleyan University in September and began teaching on his own.
1990 Ken Warner earned his Black Belt from Steve DeMasco while DeMasco was still part of the Villari system in July of this year.
1991 Steve DeMasco earned his 7th Degree Black Belt. This would be the last promotion he would ever receive from Fred Villari.
1992 Ken Warner earned his 2nd Degree Black Belt. This took place in October of 1992 while Master DeMasco was still part of the Villari system.
1993 Steve DeMasco left Fred Villari and started the East Coast operations of United Studios, becoming partners with Charlie Mattera. This split took place in January. DeMasco was a part of Mattera's operation in name only. He had secured an agreement with Mattera giving him total autonomy. This was especially true of DeMasco's martial arts. He was far superior to Mattera in martial arts ability, and never trained with Mattera. DeMasco did not add any material to the system. He eliminated the material that Villari taught beyond 4th Degree Black Belt. Villari claimed the advanced forms in the system were Shaolin forms. No one knows where the forms actually came from but they are not Shaolin Kung Fu forms. DeMasco had trained in several systems of Kung Fu, including the Praying Mantis system with Pui Chan and the Black Tiger system with Tak Wah Eng. He did not add Kung Fu to his Kempo system but rather made the Kung Fu forms available to students in the system. DeMasco dramatically changed the way the material is done. He added many advanced techniques for generating power in punches and kicks and also made the Jujutsu aspects of the system much more powerful by always controlling the spine directly.
Last edited by sun dragon; 07-07-2007 at 09:46 PM.
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Here's what Mattera said In Nick Cerios newsletter. I down loaded this from the www.ussd.com
I was fortunate enough to study under Larry Mangone, a brown belt under Professor Nick Cerio.
I do believe Mattera did study under Larry Mangone but in 1971. Larry Mangone was a green belt when he left Nick Cerios with Fred Villari. That means Mattera started with Villaris not Cerios kempo. If he had started with cerios kempo why would he leave with a 2nd degree black belt when Cerio was a 5th?
More then likely Mattera never trained with Cerio tell 1990.
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Here's their Shaolin Forms.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VaO9SK75QTQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p3QsCNgdPP8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=W_VL_sEhND0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SJjk5ev4m9E
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1jhYvAwISKs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0_fUALRgXRc
I'm sorry...but, I think if you're going to present your style to the Shaolin Monks, why do a Shaolin form? I would do a Kempo form. It doesn't make sense...besides, the "Shaolin" forms they are doing look like Karate anyway. The person that looks the best is Cynthina Rothrock...and it's because she's not USSD from the beginning.
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Yes Master Larry was a green belt when he left Pro. Cerios in 71.
I dont think Mattera ever train with Pro. Cerio either tell 1989. Yeah why would he leave with a 2nd degree when Cerio was a 5th degree?
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I heard Mattera say once that it was out of convenience...or maybe I was daydreaming at that meeting.
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That might be true? I think he was a yellow belt or orange belt at best if he did study with Cerio in 1971.
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HAHA Your right there forms do look like karate forms. They need a real kungfu teacher to teach them forms.
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OK I am perplexed. When did Cynthia Rothrock join in with USSD. If I am not mistaken she is with GM Leung Shum Ying Jow Pai system.
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Well crap, wrong Rothrock. Never mind.
Master of Shaolin I-Ching Bu Ti, GunGoPow and I Hung Wei Lo styles.
I am seeking sparring partner. Any level. Looking for blondes or redhead. 5'2" to 5'9". Between 115-135 weight class. Females between 17-30 only need apply. Will extensively work on grappling.
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She joined in like 2003/2004
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