Fighting applications of your salutation/bow?

[jmd161]

I'm just curious as to how many people actually know the fighting applications found within their styles bow/salutation?


If you know of them do you also drill them or work these applications?



We not only know ours, but also drill them from time to time. This seems to be a forgotten practice with most kung fu schools.


jeff

[Mr Punch]

I was taught and drilled an elaborate bow in one school.

Problem was, it was some shaolin derivative bow in a wing chun school, it was an overcomplicated wrist lock, and it was complete bollocks.

Interestingly enough, in aikido there is a way of getting out of a grab for the rear that we were often shown that was just dropping and bowing. I know it can work for real, because while I was sparring with a friend in karate once, another karate mate (couple of inches on me and built), messing around, came and picked me up with a bear hug, and as soon as I could root through one foot I dropped straight into that bow and he went flying over my head into the guy I had been sparring. Put his shoulder out for three weeks!

Otherwise, I like headbutts, the dynamics of which are not all that far from bowing!

[jmd161]

I was taught and drilled an elaborate bow in one school.

Problem was, it was some shaolin derivative bow in a wing chun school, it was an overcomplicated wrist lock, and it was complete bollocks.

Hmmm


That's pretty interesting.. The fact that you say overcomplicated, i'm sure had a lot to do with it's effectiveness. Our bow/salute is mainly strikes with some takedowns and throws along with some leg techniques designed to take out your legs.

jeff

[Mr Punch]

The fact that you say overcomplicated, i'm sure had a lot to do with it's effectiveness.

No doubt. It was quite cool as a salute, but as a tech it was crap.

Our bow/salute is mainly strikes with some takedowns and throws along with some leg techniques designed to take out your legs.

jeff

This, on the other hand, sounds like a quite useful skillset martially, and yet a completely ridiculous way of greeting each other!

[TenTigers]

I teach applications first, so when they do get to the form, they've already been doing the moves, hands on. They simply need to learn the sequence.

[jmd161]

I teach applications first, so when they do get to the form, they've already been doing the moves, hands on. They simply need to learn the sequence.

That's the way we learn as well. By the time you start learning the form, the techniques just jump out at you.


jeff

[Mr Punch]

I teach applications first, so when they do get to the form, they've already been doing the moves, hands on. They simply need to learn the sequence.

I like that way, but unfortunately, in wing chun most people are too precious about the forms and teach the other way.

Incidentally, but not OT, the wing chun sil lum tao form has an opening stance and cross-hands movement which doesn’t have a meaning to most wing chun schools… they use the reason that the crossing hands is just to reaffirm where your centerline is. Seems pretty stupid to me:

a) The centerline is not just on one plane, it’s an axis and
b) From the front aspect it would be… er, down the centre of your body…!

The meaning was then shown to me and now I think it’s a good idea to teach it to everybody new, right from the start with the stance, in order to get them some footwork from the start.

[jmd161]

This, on the other hand, sounds like a quite useful skillset martially, and yet a completely ridiculous way of greeting each other!

LOL


You know, I must say it's well hidden in the salute, you wouldn't really see it except for, maybe a few strikes.

jeff

[chivalrous hall]

in hung kuen apart from applications their r many folklore meanings in the salute. these very from school to school although they might share the common one or two.

[chivalrous hall]

to answer the question of the thread. dont concentrate on the application too much as i find it doesnt suit my personality

Cheers

[xcakid]

I'm just curious as to how many people actually know the fighting applications found within their styles bow/salutation?


If you know of them do you also drill them or work these applications?



We not only know ours, but also drill them from time to time. This seems to be a forgotten practice with most kung fu schools.


jeff

At my current Kwoon, our long fist salutation/presentation/bow consist of ridge hand to groin, then temple, then outward chop, elbow. Bow can be used as head butt.

You can actually break apart each movements to different applications.

Good topic!! I actually did not learn about "hidden" applications of various presentations(bows) until I was at...........wait for it.........the controversial McDojo of all......................USSD

[Becca]

I'm just curious as to how many people actually know the fighting applications found within their styles bow/salutation?


If you know of them do you also drill them or work these applications?

For the short bow, yes. I am not yet special enough to get to do the full bow.

And at one time I was tought the whole form the bow was derived from. But I was a friggin newb who hadn't yet figured out that I needed to keep and nuture my forms as I might not get to see that form again for many, many years, if ever.

I have learned my lesson and now cling to my non-caricular forms with much tenacity. Not to say I don't goof them. But Sifu has never minded correcting a form that has mistakes but has also obviously been practiced.