As for the marathon runner or the weightlifter...
I'd run away from the weightlifter
and chuck weights at the marathon runner!
As for the marathon runner or the weightlifter...
I'd run away from the weightlifter
and chuck weights at the marathon runner!
its safe to say that I train some martial arts. Im not that good really, but most people really suck, so I feel ok about that - Sunfist
Sometime blog on training esp in Japan
You got it!!
If you run from the weight lifter, his lack of cardio will cause him to tank out quickly, and he will no longer be a threat.
The marathon runner may have lots of staying power, BUT he's not very strong, and will be suseptable to damage if barbell plates hit him in the head.
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Sorry, I didn't realize you had reading comprehension problems, I thought you were here for a discussion.
Which parts did you not understand? Perhaps I should use a bigger font, or you could ask your mom to help you with the tricky parts...
*sigh* another 'scientist's' argument ****ed... *shrugs*
its safe to say that I train some martial arts. Im not that good really, but most people really suck, so I feel ok about that - Sunfist
Sometime blog on training esp in Japan
Wait, let me give you the Cliff Notes... what I was saying, in the politest possible way while trying to keep the conversation going, was...
Your post was fake-scientific bullsh!t
Is that easier for you to understand?
If you want me to cut out some more syllables, please go ahead and ask.
its safe to say that I train some martial arts. Im not that good really, but most people really suck, so I feel ok about that - Sunfist
Sometime blog on training esp in Japan
Lets see yin /yang dualistic aspects of our existance just like static/dynamic ...hmmm
what part of that is hard to figure out?? They are two sides to the same coin. Inside/outside , stabilization muscles/ movement muscles, slow twitch I / fast twitch II, etc...or this??
You can not find your postural equalibrium or your center of gravity while you are moving( dynamic) if you have not found it in a stationary ( static) position.
I was refering to Proper alignment of your skeletal structure.
Anything more you need to know ?? Your post was more rant than anything else .
You can save your negativity and hostility for someone else .
You obviously do not know what you are talking about.
Last edited by tattooedmonk; 06-13-2007 at 11:55 AM.
Right, so sorry we got off on the wrong foot. I wrote a post asking you to clarify lots of things that you'd stated as fact, peppered with smileys and light comments, and you accused me of ranting and negativity.
I find your posts interesting though, so I'm gonna try again, and say sorry for coming across like a twat.Thank you, this part of your post clarifies a lot of what you said at first.
If you look at your post before, you said something vague about 'moving from the oustide/moving from the inside'. You obviously haven't been around this board long enough to know just the extent of some of the crackpottery we've had on here! Look up posts by the infamous, legendary 'Blooming Lotus' to find where people have made claims like that, with no reference at all to any anatomy/physiology.
Hence my accusation of your post being full of BS: you hadn't answered my clarification questions which made it look like you were just spouting.
Agreed. But there is also a limited rate of return relying on finding your equilibrium when moving by practising finding it when stationary.You can not find your postural equalibrium or your center of gravity while you are moving( dynamic) if you have not found it in a stationary ( static) position.
Yep. I know what you were saying. I still don't undertsand what you mean.I was refering to Proper alignment of your skeletal structure.
Different arts have different 'proper' alignments, so we can say that there is no one proper alignment. Furthermore, many arts seem to develop effective fighting techs (with, one assumes, some degree of 'proper' skeletal alignment) without practising any stationary stance work.
Any chance of any clarification sir, without spitting blood?
BTW, not particualrly related to the subject, but IMO yin-yang is NOT a dualistic concept. It is a mutually balancing cycle. That fits in even better with your idea of inside/outside muscle systems however. The dualism is a western way of thinking superimposed on it.Lets see yin /yang dualistic aspects of our existance just like static/dynamic ...hmmm
I seem to agree with you on many things... so no, probably not!You obviously do not know what you are talking about.
its safe to say that I train some martial arts. Im not that good really, but most people really suck, so I feel ok about that - Sunfist
Sometime blog on training esp in Japan
...about core training with some anatomy and physiology to substantiate the need for stance training.
The core is defined as the lumbo-pelvic-hip complex, thoracic and cervical spine The core is where the bodies center of gravity is located and where all movement begins.
An efficient core is neccesary for proper balance throughout the kinetic chain ( nervous , muscle-tendon, and skeletal system).
There are 29 muscles that attach to the lumbo -pelvic- hip complex. Optimal lengths( or length--tension relationships ) and joint motions ( artho-kinematics) in the muscles of the lumbo-pelvic-hip complex establish neuro-muscular efficiency through out the entire kinetic chain. This allows for efficent acceleration, deceleration and stabilization during dynamic movements, as well as , the prevention of possible injuries.
The muscularture of the core is divided into two catigories: the stabilization system and the movement system. The stabilization system is primarily responsible for the stability of the lumbo -pelvic- hip complex, whereas the movement system is responsible for the movement of the core.
The core operates as integrated functional unit, whereby the stabilization system must work in concert with the movement system. When working optimally, each structural component distributes weight , absorbs force and transfers ground -reaction forces. As such, these interdependant systems must be trained appropriately to allow the kinetic chain to function efficiently during dynamic activities. This means that we must move from the inside ( stabilization system ) to the outside ( movement system).Training muscles of the movement system prior to the muscles of the stabilization system would not make structural, biomechanical or logical sense. This would be analogous to building a house without a foundation. The foundation must be developed first to provide a stable platform for the remaining components of the house to be built upon. One must be stable first in order to move more efficiently.
that post is so much better than your posts on the groundfighting thread, but I digress.
I don't disagree with the above post, but from a combat sports perspective - judoka and wrestlers support their opponent's weight on them. They are hard to take down. They generally have great structure and stabilization - and they do no stance training. That would tell me that there are things ingrained into their training - like uchi komis in judo - that do the same thing (or similar) as stance training, but they are actually developing their combat skill at the same time, as opposed to separating the two.
i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.
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I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.
- Shonie Carter
Nice Post Tattooed monk.
Once again 7, Punch, the issue is not alternative methods of training a skill, but the effectiveness of a given technique as part of a system to train the same skill.
When you talk about core strength, internal strength, structural strength, rooting, grounding, stability, centering, etc, much is common skill, and much is significantly overlapping skill.
What I find about grappling is that the constant struggle forces you to address the stability and strength issue in a constant manner. Striking requires more training in fundamentals, so that when you do apply the strength, it all comes together properly.
Now, personally speaking, Hakka styles have un-natural structure for most western athletes. You have to make that un-natural structure natural if you want to play that game. If you don't, don't bother.
Remember, we are talking about fundamental skills, building good form and structure upon which to execute your techniques and exercise focussed powerful exertion. We are not talking about advanced techniques, ring craft or spirit. Of course, any master worth his salt will tell you fundamental skills are the advanced skills.
If you have developed good form and structure in one pursuit, be it grappling, striking, ballett or yoga, you have that skill. It may need adaptation to the new sports, but your fundamental training will carry, and further develop.
Cross training comes into play here, I believe? Come on, this is fundamental sport training, why is it so hard to accept that traditional chinese stance training is effective?
I'm just under 6 foot, and used to play short forward in B-ball. I was great at boxing out much bigger heavier guys and rebounding. Of course, I had no shot, few ball skills and only a passable lay-up and put-back. But, I had stability and springs. Of course, I'm not hailing my average hoop skills, just pointing out that skills in one sport transfer into another.
I once had a girlfriend that was a Ballett dancer, <sigh> another much more plesant example of crossover skills....and I mean skills.
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