A man has only one death. That death may be as weighty as Mt. Tai, or it may be as light as a goose feather. It all depends upon the way he uses it....
~Sima Qian
Master pain, or pain will master you.
~PangQuan
"Just do your practice. Who cares if someone else's practice is not traditional, or even fake? What does that have to do with you?"
~Gene "The Crotch Master" Ching
You know you want to click me!!
I was told a story by a prizefighter from 70's china I've known for many years.
He was in the grip of a mongolian wrestler, and escaped using the Tyson defense, he bit his ear off. The wrestler submitted, but claimed victory because he was wrestling and the Kung fu guy wasn't kung-fu-ing.
Well, out came the guns, and the 3 wise men had to decide how the pot was to be awarded. The kung fu fighter won because he argued that everything is Kung Fu, and they agreed.
i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.
-Charles Manson
I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.
- Shonie Carter
That other thread on the shaolin forum really is a mess.
"George never did wake up. And, even all that talking didn't make death any easier...at least not for us. Maybe, in the end, all you can really hope for is that your last thought is a nice one...even if it's just about the taste of a nice cold beer."
"If you find the right balance between desperation and fear you can make people believe anything"
"Is enlightenment even possible? Or, did I drive by it like a missed exit?"
It's simpler than you think.
I could be completely wrong"
Well, I am not interested in the rewards;however, I would like to share something that I share on other boards relating to this topic just the same.
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Kaveh Tahani used to training CCK TCPM/Mantis Kung Fu for about a year or so with me when he was living in Yellowknife, NWT, Canada. He is currently a student at Franco Kickboxing / Pankration in Vancouver, B.C., Canada and has been there for 5 months. Under the guidance of Mr. Franco, he entered in the middle weight Full Contact Pankration division at the 28th Can-Am tournament held at the BCIT on June 2, 2007. This is his first ever baptize by fire Pankration style so to speak despite a relatively short training period in Pankration competition format.
Rules:
No Knees to the head
No Elbows
No Punches with the person in on the ground....only open hand or Palm strikes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuD7waUUvVQ
After 3 well fought bouts, he was awarded a silver medal in his division. This bout ended with him winning due to effective palm striking in opponent's half guard that I personally believe is something for traditional arts to ponder. The iron palm and short power generation, I believe are from his Karate background. The idea of disciplined attacks with dominant position, fluidity in all range and relaxation at all time are a few things our CCK TCPM brings to the mat. I believe those things coupled with Mr. Franco’s Pankration full contact training showed that traditional arts can contribute in the post NHB era. Traditional martial arts, either as primary source of self defense art or as component of cross-training, are just as relevant as any other martial sports in the ring or on the mat IMHO. Of course, Kaveh’s personal drive and enormous hearts are huge factors in his success as well.
We would like to dedicate this video to the superb effort of Mr. Franco and everyone at Franco Kickboxing/Pankration in guiding Kaveh in his transition from traditional marital arts into full contact Pankration. On behalf of everyone at the Yellowknife Taiji Praying Mantis Kung Fu Club, I would like to also congratulate Kaveh and his wife, Keiko, who has been most supportive to his martial arts endeavors.
I hope you all enjoy this clip. Thank you and comments and feed backs are most welcome.
Sincerely,
Robert Hui (Mantis108)
PS please check the following clip for similarity in fighting approach to Pankration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Hzl1r0kVA&mode=user&search=
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We believe that Kung Fu training can be relevant in martial sports venues if it addresses the "whole package" issue whether it's ground 'n pound or ground fighting (especially a la BJJ). I can't claim any credit to Kaveh's success since he entered as an active member of Mr. Franco's gym. But I hope that you see that mantis Kung Fu training methodology has help in the transition from one discipline to another.
Mantis108
Contraria Sunt Complementa
對敵交手歌訣
凡立勢不可站定。凡交手須是要走。千着萬着﹐走為上着﹐進為高着﹐閃賺騰挪為
妙着。
CCK TCPM in Yellowknife
TJPM Forum
Yeah, that's why a wrestler wouldn't claim that his wrestling contained all the boxing skills necessary to beat a boxer. He wouldn't claim that if his wrestling skills were just 'applied the right way' he could box the boxer and win.
Some CMA people have a problem with this kind of thinking.
chin na could be used, and I've done it (including submitting a BJJ BB so there!) but there is nothing I've seen in CMA that teaches the same sort of body movement on the ground that western wrestling, judo, jj or bjj does.
IMHO, it's cultural...why would they call the only thing that even comes close 'dog' boxing? as I understand it the dog is not necessarily an animal high on the list of revered creatures in chinese culture...unless it's high on the menu!
the CMA'ists that claim grappling in the sense that we understand it today are in denial and would not stand a chance against a 'grappler' of an equal weight or level of experience.
"George never did wake up. And, even all that talking didn't make death any easier...at least not for us. Maybe, in the end, all you can really hope for is that your last thought is a nice one...even if it's just about the taste of a nice cold beer."
"If you find the right balance between desperation and fear you can make people believe anything"
"Is enlightenment even possible? Or, did I drive by it like a missed exit?"
It's simpler than you think.
I could be completely wrong"
have ground fighting ground monkey, Ground dragon, tiger, leopard etc.
"George never did wake up. And, even all that talking didn't make death any easier...at least not for us. Maybe, in the end, all you can really hope for is that your last thought is a nice one...even if it's just about the taste of a nice cold beer."
"If you find the right balance between desperation and fear you can make people believe anything"
"Is enlightenment even possible? Or, did I drive by it like a missed exit?"
It's simpler than you think.
I could be completely wrong"
i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.
-Charles Manson
I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.
- Shonie Carter