NY has a lot of quality places.Originally Posted by Fu-Pow
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Why do you feel William C. C. Chen's Taiji is perfect for BJJ?
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Its more "combat oriented", William has always been about the fighting and his kids are involved in KB and MMA ( or branching out to MMA).
he also has "regular" taiji classes.
I'm not sure about the above statement. I've never studied wrestling, sambo and judo.
I can tell you that from what I do know and have seen, that there are differences. Taiji is not a simply a wrestling art, like all Chinese styles of kung fu it has Shuai, Ti, Da and Na. That is.... throwing, kicking, striking and locking.
Also, the thing that I think is unique about Taiji ,and correct me if I am wrong on this point in regards to other arts, is that the incoming force is almost always neutralized in an almost passive way before any force is issued.
Instead of "fighting for" position, in Taiji the opponent is left to kind of upset his own position through his own excessive force and then a counter attack (Shuai, Ti, Da or Na) is issued. (Sometimes the neutralization and counter happen so fast that they appear to be simultaneous.)
Perhaps at higher levels of Judo, Sambo and Wrestling this is the same (although I'm not sure they have Ti and Da)...but again having no real experience of them first hand I can't really say. My background is in Karate, TKD, Hung Gar, CLF and little bit of Aikido.
In terms of the Shuai aspect I'd say Taiji is probably most like Aikido.
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Emerson Souza
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probably one of the best cities in the US for BJJ
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its a given injury will be part of the game, but this is what im curious about.
do you actually get to choose who you roll with at most schools?
can you be like "i dont want to spar/roll with that guy, hes a spaz"
how much freedom do you generally have at your average BJJ school to decide what you will do while training under your coach? On average do you direct your own training and who you will fight?
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I was just curious.
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Take some private lessons, learn, enjoy, the worse thing that could happen is you get choked out and wake up with a sore butt, but hey, that can happen in any MA gym.
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Quit being such a puss. Geez.
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No problem, you won't hear Chen speaking much about chi and that other stuff, he has a "physics" reply for anything Taiji related and he can hit with serious power, even now.I was just curious.
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I was talking about just the grappling part. Take a couple of Taiji guys and tell them to go all out, trying to take each other down, throw or push each with each one trying as hard as he can. It will look much like other forms of grappling.
I noticed you put Renzo Gracie at the top of that list. Is he the best one?
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He's not bad at all....
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I don't know who is the best teacher, but I do know I would kill to be able to train with Marcello Garcia.
Last edited by Knifefighter; 06-25-2007 at 11:53 AM.
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im fine getting choked out, but if i wake up with a sore butt ill kill you all!Take some private lessons, learn, enjoy, the worse thing that could happen is you get choked out and wake up with a sore butt, but hey, that can happen in any MA gym.
i guess i just need to find a good school and talk to the coach.
where would you guys recommend for Portland OR?
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A man has only one death. That death may be as weighty as Mt. Tai, or it may be as light as a goose feather. It all depends upon the way he uses it....
~Sima Qian
Master pain, or pain will master you.
~PangQuan
"Just do your practice. Who cares if someone else's practice is not traditional, or even fake? What does that have to do with you?"
~Gene "The Crotch Master" Ching
You know you want to click me!!
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