Empiric evidence for MMA

[Notintheface]

is that you don't see past huge gross motor fuctions.

What you provided was pure gross motor function. If I didn't come from kung fu schools that treated what you posted as kung fu but taught self defense another way.

No please take a look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lpRk...watch_response

I can see here what kung fu is trying to offer that is unique. I can see the actual whipping force and short explosive energy. I can see hammer fist strikes and willow leaf palm and a few other technique I forgot what their names were. The Fahjing is apparent in what they did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0-7U...elated&search= ( These guys are on their way to looking like the guys above if they keep on the same track)

your video on the other hand shows nothing other than gross motor skills.

All fighting styles are based on the details and the strategy but the way you are using it is a cop(sp) out.

here please view these videos and compare what you to them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrAn4pP77c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BMR5VoXU4w

[SifuAbel]

I promised myself......... oh well.

Here goes. You aren't really saying anything. You're just posting video and pointing at it like a retard.

You're not making any real points.

So its not training unless you are slapping around bare knuckle and not hitting each other? Fabulous.

Unless any one of those guys is you, stfu.

[Notintheface]

s for this

Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post

It's ok, because we've already established, LONG AGO, that anyone who is afraid to reveal their identity while talking trash has no credibility. He can ramble on trying to act like he's noble or whatever, he is a troll, pure and simple.

First off I said who I am. Even though on a web board anyone could be anybody and no one would know the difference. I bring up valid issues about kung fu and look to deal with falsehoods. When I am exposed to something new, like I was with the links I reposted, I digest and comment. Knowledge is knowledge and common sense is common sense, regardless if I am well know or known at all doesn't negate what is being said.

Let explain something to you about credibility: It is not based on perception of the individual but on that of supporting facts. Let's take the person whom you quoted lkfm. His school has been in an ever evolving state. He has gone through the process of teaching traditionally before the advent of MMA( as in heavy point sparring and teaching forms and weapon sets) but he has evolved and did not stay stagnate. If he was to tell me "Hey I can apply technique X in full contact" I would expect him to show me and not give any excuses. He has built his credibility through his actions and not excuses.

He has credibility only further strengthens the knowledge coming out of his mouth. You don't know me nor do I know you personally. Now if you take what I have been posting as representative of what I think is effective says a lot. Lets say I am completely ignorant of kung fu. If I look at Chong's material I could see actual techniques from the forms being used and effective.

On the other hand what you posted of yourself as indicative of kung fu says a lot about your knowledge of your own art.

If these people,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lpRk...watch_response, say they are gonna palm me in the head I'm more inclined to believe them.

They have the credibility. What they say, they do,they are no longer "stories" of skill but actual skill.

The kicking and punching in your video was simple and basic. There was nothing special the "eye" could not see

[Notintheface]

Yup I knew you would reply like that.... ok


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lpRk...watch_response

here let me break it down for you....

time: 00:46 a nice back knuckle punch..( Wish I remember the terminology)

time: 00:47 nice choi something or another ( palm strike) If you look closely with your "eye" He is using some whipping force then hooks the head.... But I am sure that is not Kung fu/

time: 00:49 nice he stepped off the centerline closed the gate and punched the guy right in the face.

Time: 00:50 Here you can see he is throwing a punch but is not just a regular jab or cross. I can see here the actual power generation of bak mei. If you notice as it hits you see a bit of influx of power. That is the fighter trying to generate fahjing... the famous scared power of Bak mei.

Please educate me where there is more than bs point sparring in your clip?


WTF are you seriously ****ing blind....
Dude, that is far better than what you are offering. Until you can actually do something beyond point sparring..... ahh the hell with it fix your eyes so you can see better.

So its not training unless you are slapping around bare knuckle and not hitting each other? Fabulous.

[Black Jack II]

Abel I hate to bag on you for this as its out of context, and btw I don't think your sparring was just point based as others have said here, looked like normal medium contact stuff used within a certain context, and with protective gear which I actually think in certain respects is a very good thing.

What I am going to bag on your for is that you once gave me a hard time about the VERY SAME style headgear in the redman suits for situational drills........jack a$$

[SifuAbel]

No, the redman suit issue is that one is in th suit and the other is being tapped on the shoulder while humming at a wall so they can turn around and do their shtick on the red man. We were in gear HITTING EACH OTHER.

[SifuAbel]

NITF's "analysis" was laughable.

The only one that looked good was the teacher. Most of the rest was slap happy.

[Notintheface]

so we are even then? You made me laugh with your video and I made you laugh at my analysis

The only one that looked good was the teacher. Most of the rest was slap happy

OMG...........Yeah I think its better we don't interact with each other. I came here to troll and debate not lose I.Q points

[Notintheface]

We were in gear HITTING EACH OTHER.

......Can't resist the urge......

This is a hit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbv7T1LMGyg

This is Hitting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td4I_O3Sjgs

This is.. well you get the message http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpmu7duojgc

What you did i would consider sensual massage Did you use lotion?


(PSA: Going troll mode. Logic will so go out the window and I will just throw stuff at Abel

[SifuAbel]

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[Notintheface]

note my sig

[SifuAbel]

note sig: comprehend it, understand its implications.

[Knifefighter]

This is Hitting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td4I_O3Sjgs

That would be me at 0:12 (mounted & driving down with the stick) & 0:17 (staff with red shirt).

[Notintheface]

Ahh, multiple post-fu... Do I have to wear a mouth piece and chest protector?

[Notintheface]

**** Kinfe, if that is you now I know why I like your post so much!