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    Some "sexual enhancement" drugs act as Testosterone boosters while others actually help "mask" T-levels for drug tests.
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    normal physically strong fighting man with muscle dont lose boner except from steroids

    looks like hes telling white lie, he was masking his drug protocol just fine, the drugs caused impotence, he bought tainted viagra

    then again he could be just straight up bullsh1tting, like overeem with his horse meat and chinese supersoldier program

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    I think roids have been an issue for UFC for a while.
    They're gonna have to go. Which will be nice because it makes the fighters more even across the board when they aren't cheating.
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    5-year suspension for Nick Diaz

    There's vid if you follow the link.

    Nick Diaz suspended 5 years by Nevada commission for marijuana

    LAS VEGAS -- The Nevada State Athletic Commission suspended UFC welterweight Nick Diaz for five years on Monday because of the third marijuana-related offense of his career.

    The NSAC discussed a lifetime ban for Diaz, 32, before voting unanimously on five years.

    NSAC commissioner Skip Avansino acknowledged during deliberations a five-year ban is essentially "a lifetime (ban) for (Diaz)."

    Diaz (26-9) appeared before the commission in person but declined to answer any of its questions. Commissioner Pat Lundvall forced Diaz to verbally plead the fifth throughout a long series of approximately 30 questions.

    Immediately after the hearing, Diaz spoke to the media.


    Nick Diaz tested positive for marijuana metabolites following a unanimous decision loss to Anderson Silva at UFC 183 on Jan. 31. Jeff Bottari/Zuffa LLC/Getty Images

    "I'm pretty ****ed," said Diaz after the hearing. "I got into this sport for this exact reason, being stuck in a room with people like that.

    "I wanted to tell them what I think. I wanted to tell each and every one of them they're a bunch of ****s. Everybody who sees them or knows who they are should tell them that. I would if it weren't for my experts advising me to keep my mouth shut. I wanted to get up and say, 'Look. You guys are way the f--- out of line.' "

    Lucas Middlebrook, Diaz's lead attorney, said he will appeal the five-year suspension. Additionally, the NSAC fined Diaz $165,000.

    "I think it was a completely arbitrary and capricious decision," Middlebrook said. "You heard my opening statement. Based on the facts, if they were to make such a decision, it would be ripe for judicial review. This was a kangaroo court, and you heard the commission: Their decision wasn't based on fact. It wasn't based on evidence.

    "One commissioner said, 'Your attorneys were very persuasive, but you don't respect us. So here's a five-year ban.' "

    Diaz, who fights out of Stockton, California, tested positive for marijuana metabolites following a decision loss to Anderson Silva at UFC 183 on Jan. 31. The circumstances of the failed test were unique in that Diaz passed two drug tests on fight night but failed a third.

    The failed test was collected and analyzed under different methods than the other two. The two clean tests, administered prefight and postfight, were analyzed by the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory (SMRTL) -- which is accredited by the World Anti-Doping Agency -- in Salt Lake City.

    The failed test, which was administered between the two clean ones, was analyzed by Quest Diagnostics.

    Diaz's attorneys argued that the Quest results were "scientifically unreliable," unlike the SMRTL results, which were obtained using WADA's higher standard of protocols.

    A medical expert for Diaz, Dr. H. Khella, stated several irregularities in the failed test.

    A box titled "observed" was left unmarked by the collector, which means Diaz might have provided the sample unsupervised. He also pointed out Diaz's name appeared on the sample. Labs are not supposed to be able to identify whom samples belong to.

    Furthermore, Middlebrook argued the failed test was such an outlier when compared with the other two that it had to be unreliable. According to the Quest test, Diaz registered a marijuana metabolites level nearly five times the allowable limit. In the SMRTL tests, however, his levels were well below that allowable threshold.

    The NSAC acknowledged the differing methods of obtaining Diaz's results but maintained it was confident in Quest's findings. NSAC chairman Francisco Aguilar stated, "We do have a positive test, through a method we've used over time."

    The commission also took issue with Diaz's prefight questionnaire, on which he was expected to reveal any substances he took before the fight. Copies of Diaz's questionnaire show he did not indicate any marijuana use before the bout.

    The five-year suspension is the second-longest ever handed down by the NSAC. In September 2014, it served UFC middleweight Wanderlei Silva with a lifetime ban. A Nevada district judge reversed that ruling in May, citing a lack of substantial evidence.

    Diaz, an admitted medical-marijuana user in California, has now been suspended three separate times by the NSAC. The commission suspended him for six months in 2007 after he tested positive for THC. He was suspended for one year in 2012 after testing positive for marijuana metabolites after a loss to Carlos Condit.

    "This is not just a marijuana issue," Aguilar said. "This is an issue of marijuana, a lack of being forthright, a lack of cooperation to make the sport better, a disregard for rules -- it hurts other athletes just as much.

    "I don't have an ego on this commission. Maybe some think I do, but I don't. We have to do our job as regulators. This is not solely a case of marijuana."

    Last month, the result of the Jan. 31 fight between Diaz and Silva was changed to a no-contest, as part of a disciplinary hearing for Silva. Silva was suspended for one year and fined $380,000 for failing multiple tests for anabolic steroids.

    "That's ridiculous," Diaz said. "I never did steroids in my life. I know all the fighters, they are all on steroids. All you m-----f------ are on steroids. I already know that. Everybody knows that. I'm the only person in this sport, for the most part, that ain't on steroids. Now there's new rules in effect, yeah, you've got guys not on steroids now, but they used to be. They've always been on steroids. I don't do steroids. I don't break the rules."
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    Well look at that....

    we petition the obama administration to:
    Lift the NSAC ban from MMA fighter Nick Diaz.

    Nick Diaz was unfairly banned from being a professional fighter by the Nevada Athletics Commission. They ruled based on their personal feelings and beliefs towards the use of medical Marijuana and used their power to deprive Mr.Diaz of being able to make a living.
    Published Date: Sep 14, 2015
    Issues: Civil Rights and Liberties
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    Forgive my naivete, but does this happen often in sports?
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    I can not recall if it was on this site's forum or another site. I mentioned guys smoking pot before bouts, all us did it after, LOL. But some guys got high on weed before they fought. I experienced the same in the traditional arts too. Lots of drugs. This was a while back. -

    http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...iled-drug-test

    I think Eddie Bravo was stoned all the time, LOL.

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    Lets face it. On the pro circuit. If you are not using drugs for help. You probably are not winning. If you are new you may not be using at first but you soon will. Most amateur sports have loads of drug problems too.

    Bas Rutten is against them. Yet he once said he had about 2 time level of natural testosterone for a man his age. That's like 1500 maybe more. Possible ? Could he have had some tumor firing his test up super high? Just strong caveman nuts? Regardless he was over the high end of average for a 16 year old male. Most guys hit the peak by then and stay there for 2-3 years and then it goes down. He was like 30-35 when he stated that. Was he joking ? Was he juicing ? I think maybe but man if there was one guy I would hope did not have to it was him.

    Guy can barely walk now I read. Was talking about stem cells for his knees. His hips are shot to I think. His arms are so thin. Nerve damage.
    http://www.mmaweekly.com/bas-rutten-...-health-issues

    Steroids were legal in Japan and may still be. Bas lived and fought in Japan. They only test Oly athletes. https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/co...d_legality_in/

    Again, I would hope not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    Forgive my naivete, but does this happen often in sports?
    It's kind of simple:
    You take a illegal drug and you get fined and suspended.
    You continue to take it and you get banned.
    Doesn't matter what the drug is, if it is illegal to take, don't take it.
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    Yeah, I get that, s_r

    Remember I competed NCAA, although that was in the 80s when PEDs were just starting to have an impact on college sports. I never got tested but I totally understand playing by the rules. My question was more about the government petition to overturn the NSAC decision. Does that happen a lot? I've not heard of it. My guess is that it is political because marijuana is such a political issue now. Diaz's suspension does seem excessive considering that many athletes that have been popped for PEDs have had much shorter suspensions.

    Ronda Rousey presser: X-rated gaffe, passionate weed defense
    By News.com.auSeptember 16, 2015 | 12:03pm

    Rousey also used the press conference to launch a strong defense of fighter Nick Diaz, who was smacked with a five-year ban by the Nevada State Athletic Commission after using marijuana.
    “I think they should free Nick Diaz,” she said.
    “It’s not Dana’s decision. I think it’s an invasion of privacy for them to test for marijuana and they have no right. They shouldn’t even test for weed. It’s not fair. It’s not a performance-enhancing drug … it’s only tested for political reasons.”
    That's just an excerpt. Ronda also talks about if she came in Holm's face right away....
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    Remember I competed NCAA, although that was in the 80s when PEDs were just starting to have an impact on college sports. I never got tested but I totally understand playing by the rules. My question was more about the government petition to overturn the NSAC decision. Does that happen a lot? I've not heard of it. My guess is that it is political because marijuana is such a political issue now. Diaz's suspension does seem excessive considering that many athletes that have been popped for PEDs have had much shorter suspensions.

    That's just an excerpt. Ronda also talks about if she came in Holm's face right away....
    Doesn't matter what MJ is or not, all that matters is that it is illegal and doing an illegal drug gets you suspended.
    If they don't like it then they( the fighters) should petition the UFC to change the rules, period.
    I always get a laugh when I hear someone say of a drug , " It's not performance enhancing..." or " It makes no difference to performance".
    Great, why do it then?
    Why do something that you KNOW is illegal and can get you suspended if there is NO benefit to it ??
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    crime and punishment

    The issue isn't whether or not the crime should be punished. It's about the magnitude of the punishment. For justice to be exacted, the scales must be equal.

    NSAC sends wrong message on Diaz
    Brett Okamoto, ESPN Staff Writer

    LAS VEGAS -- The Nevada State Athletic Commission sent a very troubling message to its athletes -- and its own employees -- on Monday.

    Apparently, it is acceptable to incorporate personal feelings into the regulation of combat sports.

    In my opinion, there is little doubt the NSAC's decision on Monday to suspend Nick Diaz for five years was a personal one. The ruling did not align with actions taken previously by the NSAC and it actually went against a proposed set of suspension lengths the commission itself introduced this year.

    If there is one thing the NSAC dislikes more than a guilty athlete, it's a guilty athlete who shows no remorse. And in three separate NSAC disciplinary hearings for marijuana-related offenses, Diaz has shown no remorse.

    He has now been suspended by the Nevada commission in 2007, 2012 and 2015. He has been chastised for essentially hiding his marijuana use from the NSAC, but still continues to leave its precious prefight questionnaire blank. And then (gasp), he refuses to apologize for doing so afterward.

    During a 2012 hearing, commissioner Pat Lundvall reminded Diaz he had "promised" the commission in 2007 that he would stop smoking marijuana. Lundvall asked Diaz how quickly he had resumed smoking after making that promise.

    "I imagine when I got home," Diaz deadpanned.

    It was commissioner Lundvall who then refused to allow Diaz to offer a blanket statement during his hearing on Monday. Rather than allow Diaz to universally plead the fifth, Lundvall forced him to repeatedly state the words "fifth amendment," as she asked approximately 30 questions that included whether or not he speaks English.

    Diaz's lawyer, Lucas Middlebrook, grew so irritated during this process, he accused Lundvall of a "misinterpretation" of her legal right to publicly embarrass Diaz during his testimony. Lundvall overruled Middlebrook and continued.

    Later in the hearing, it was Lundvall again who made a motion to ban the 32-year-old Diaz for life, a move that would effectively end his career.

    Ultimately, two commissioners were uncomfortable with a lifetime ban, so a five-year suspension was agreed upon. This potentially life-altering change for Diaz -- a difference between not being able to fight for five years and the rest of his natural-born life -- took the commission about two minutes to discuss.

    Near the end of deliberations, NSAC chairman Francisco Aguilar made it a point to say Diaz's case was about "more than marijuana," but that's where he was wrong. This case shouldn't be about more than marijuana. It shouldn't be about making a statement to future athletes or finally putting a rebellious Diaz in his place. It shouldn't be about treating politically correct athletes better than ones who show a disdain for the commission and the job it performs.

    Disciplinary hearings are about administering justice -- with due process. It doesn't matter that Diaz referred to each and every commission member as a **** and said the words "fifth amendment" in a way that suggested he was thinking of a different, less professional two-word response. None of that makes him more or less guilty of a violation.

    Diaz deserved to be penalized for leaving his prefight questionnaire empty. He routinely tries to operate outside of the administrative rules. But the NSAC seemingly allowed its personal feelings toward Diaz to influence its punishment of him -- and that is unacceptable.

    Should an NSAC-licensed referee treat combatants differently, based on personal feelings toward each of them? Should a judge award a close round of a fight to the more respectful athlete in the cage?

    Many joke about the NSAC and its tendency to be lenient on athletes who show up to disciplinary hearings and play the game. Answer the commission's questions respectfully, speak well of its members and smile while doing so -- this is widely considered the best defense strategy.

    Rarely, though, has an example of opposite behavior produced such an egregious result. The NSAC has taken admirable steps in its regulation of combat sports in recent years, but Monday's disciplinary hearing -- and the message it sent -- was the wrong one.
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    x2 - I'm going to play the hyperbole game and guess that, if Jon Jones showed up from prison one day, and said 'respectfully' a few times, he'd be back in their good graces, possibly sending a letter to Dana asking that J 'B' J be granted a title shot.

    They are an administrative board, not a group of old people teaching young children to ask before walking across their green lawns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    The issue isn't whether or not the crime should be punished. It's about the magnitude of the punishment. For justice to be exacted, the scales must be equal.
    Here is the thing, go into any court and act like a **** and you will get a judge that takes it personally and throws the book at you.
    Why?
    Because you are NOT mocking him or her, but what they stand for, The Law.
    Now, Lundvall may have taken it TOO personally BUT if I was a judge and Diaz acted that way and with his history, I probably would have thrown the book at his egocentric ass as well.
    Of course, if this was steroids or cocaine this probably wouldn't even have made the news but because it was MJ and "no big deal" to some, it did.
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    More on Diaz

    I feel ya, s_r. The MMJ industry is way out of control and sorely needs regulation. That political battle has made this a hot button topic, which is why I'm following the story. I do enjoy it when martial arts actually become topical to issues that concern the general public. It's much more interesting to me than arguing about who has the most authentic Wing Chun lineage.

    Nick Diaz White House petition hits goal of 100,000 signatures ... now what?
    By Jesse Holland  @Jesse_Holland on Oct 14, 2015, 11:03a 38


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    Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) welterweight Nick Diaz was suspended from mixed martial arts (MMA) for a whopping five years after Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) made an example of him for a drug test that was not without its share of problems.

    The combat sports community, for the most part, was outraged.

    In response, one dedicated fan created a White House petition online to present the controversial Diaz case to the country's highest office. Today (Weds., Oct. 14, 2015), said petition cleared the 100,000 signatures required to initiate review.

    So what happens next? The White House has 60 days to respond, however...

    To avoid the appearance of improper influence, the White House may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government in its response to a petition. Where possible, we will notify signers of petitions whose content falls into these areas, in instances in which we don't feel we will be able to respond meaningfully.

    To see how the White House reviews online petitions click here.

    Diaz and his legal team are expected to appeal the results of his disciplinary hearing but until then, the former UFC welterweight No. 1 contender is unable to compete in MMA or boxing. In the meantime, he's getting some support from an old friend.
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    Nothing else for the white house to do I guess.
    No greater issues than this.
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