An Epic of Internet-challenge Stupidity

[Knifefighter]

You can fight with just as much intent in your practice no matter what you are training for.

Whether it be street, ring, or Iraq, you allways train much harder than the fight anyway, so your logic is pointless to bring up.

Then you must kill and maim a lot of training partners. Since your deadly kung fu allows you to kill and maim on the street, then you must be hitting to the back of the head and neck, gouging eyes, kicking groins, pulling fingers out of sockets, crushing tracheas, and breaking necks even more forcefully in practice. How many next-of-kin have sued you for damages so far?

Yes, you are a moron.

[Quasimo]

Just watched the Rudy/Anthony fight. Even though I despise traditional chinese bull**** (particularly crap like monkey whatever and wing chun), I have to grudgingly admit that Rudy put up a great fight. In fact, I think he looked better than Anthony out there. Rudy had good takedown defense; Anthony struggled and struggled to get that double. At the end, he didn't really get the double so much as topple onto Rudy. Meanwhile, Rudy was kicking Anthony's ass on the feet; a few more seconds and it would have been show over for him. Rudy even popped out a few kung fu style kicks. Looked to me that Athony was on the defensive most of the fight. Strange punching style though; more like a series of low roundhouses, but measured and accurate. It seemed like Anthony's knee is what ended it; sort a very sloppy GnP. Those types of knees aren't legal in most mma tournaments are they?

I give credit to both guys; good fight. Anthony has apparently done a massive amount of training since his earlier fight everyone's seen; good on him. I think Athony's weight advantage was very helpful here. Sure, Rudy needs to get some good ground game, but his takedown defense is actually pretty **** good. And it's not easy to maneuver out of bottom position with a guy that heavy on top. Anthony would have been better off with an upper body throw since he had so many opportunities to clinch and had the weight advantage.

Rudy, how about you fight someone around your weight lvl? I think you impressed alot of people who thought you were just a blowhard chump. You might still be a blowhard chump, but more respected now than before that's for sure.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Then you must kill and maim a lot of training partners. Since your deadly kung fu allows you to kill and maim on the street, then you must be hitting to the back of the head and neck, gouging eyes, kicking groins, pulling fingers out of sockets, crushing tracheas, and breaking necks even more forcefully in practice. How many next-of-kin have sued you for damages so far?

Yes, you are a moron.

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No dummy, you just target those areas and use light impacts so you don't harm your partners. You THEN go and work those strikes on the bag full power, so come real life you have the targeting ability, the setups and techniques, AND the power. It's the same as any other striking skill.

It STILL gets you much closer to using it in reality than a ring fighter who never works or defends against it at all becasue the rules protect him instead.

[Tomas]

This is the point in this thread when one stops talking and starts throwing down.

[sanjuro_ronin]

This is the point in this thread when one stops talking and starts throwing down.

There really is nothing as fun and benefitial for a MA of any system than throwing someone down on their head.

What? isn't that what you meant ?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Just watched the Rudy/Anthony fight. Even though I despise traditional chinese bull**** (particularly crap like monkey whatever and wing chun), I have to grudgingly admit that Rudy put up a great fight.

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The funny thing is Rudy is a specialist in the Monkey style. His is a really old version of it too, not the modern stuff.

As for the fight results, I think two things were a big factor.

1. Rudy gassed, and was visibly showing it after the second break. He even commented to me that he needs to work on that.

2. Anthony has a really hard head and shot that would have knocked out another just didn't seem to phase him much. Rudy actually injured his hand beating Anthony in the head. He had it on ice as we last spoke.


Rudy actually commented to me that he he just could not believe Anthony could take shot like that and keep going.

As for the fight ender, Rudy told me he felt like his ear had been torn from a grind into the matt, so he tapped due to that. It is not, but he said he felt like it was and decided some show of bravado was not worth a serious ear injury.The knee to the head actually occurred after the tap....although, from that spot I think Anthony had him anyway. If Rudy had not taped before hand, I think Anthony would have just KO'd him with the Knee shots.

Rudy is 39, and has not actually fought in a long time. He has been injured with knee issues the last year or so, and finnaly went for surgery to fix it. He was only cleared to fully train 6 months or so ago, if not less time than that, so he is not even at his best here. You can see his knee is still not 100% by the way he is walking up at the stat of the fight.

What this is showing is someone who actually got trained by a good teacher, the way Kung Fu is MEANT to be trained, can actually fight with thier Kung Fu.

[Quasimo]

Just watched the Rudy/Anthony fight. Even though I despise traditional chinese bull**** (particularly crap like monkey whatever and wing chun), I have to grudgingly admit that Rudy put up a great fight.

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The funny thing is Rudy is a specialist in the Monkey style.

As for the fight results, I think two things were a big factor.

1. Rudy gassed, and was visibly showing it after the second break. He even commented to me that he needs to work on that.

2. Anthony has a really hard head and shot that would have knocked out another just didn't seem to phase him much. Rudy actually injured his hand beating Anthony in the head. He had it on ice as we last spoke.


Rudy actually commented to me that he he just could not believe Anthony could take shot like that and keep going.

Rudy told me he felt like his ear had been torn from a grind into the matt, so he tapped due to that. The knee to the head actually occurred after the tap....although, from that spot I think Anthony had him anyway. If Rudy had not taped before hand, I think Anthony would have just KO'd him with the Knee shots.

Interesting, I saw him tapping but looked like it was after the knee. Maybe the angle of the film. I could see pretty clearly that those shots were affecting Anthony. I think Anthony was stunned by how hard he hit. Looked like Anthony had much, much better conditioning than he previously had. F'ing great fight really; short but sweet. Good points to be had on both sides and close in the end.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Rudy even popped out a few kung fu style kicks

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Every thing Rudy did was pure Kung Fu...he does not know anything else. What you guys saw was what happens when someone is actually taught the old school way, instead of the modern forms factory way. The real issues here are that Rudy is older, and been nursing knee problems for the last couple years so he was really not at his best.

Interesting, I saw him tapping but looked like it was after the knee. Maybe the angle of the film. I could see pretty clearly that those shots were affecting Anthony. I think Anthony was stunned by how hard he hit.

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Yeah I think so too. He even commented on it.


Looked like Anthony had much, much better conditioning than he previously had.

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Hell yeah he does!! He's leaner, and much more mobile than before. There is a huge improvement over the last fight.

F'ing great fight really; short but sweet. Good points to be had on both sides and close in the end.

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Agreed. I cannot wait untill Rudy gets home, and uploads his video of this so we can see it from a different angle.

[Tomas]

Eargrind???? Who taps to an EARGRIND??? Serious injury to EAR??
You guys are crazy...

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Maybe he just gassed and that was his excuse, who knows...it does not change anything else though.

[1bad65]

So, in a nutshell 'alive' training was indeed a factor. It allowed Anthony to survive the strikes, and I believe Rudy would have learned to breathe better had he done alive training. Notice that Anthony, who took more shots then Rudy and shot for several takedowns, was not really that winded after the fight.

[1bad65]

Those types of knees aren't legal in most mma tournaments are they?

This is correct. They are illegal in the UFC and in Texas. I'm pretty sure they are illegal in every state in the US, but I'm not sure. They were legal in the early UFCs though. They were legal in the rules agreed to for this fight though. Had Rudy not tapped he easily could have had serious head trauma.

Despite all the banter, I was glad to see both men get out of the fight without serious injury.

[phoenixrising]

I have taken a few months of BJJ in the past. A few months ago I was rolling with a 5X Wrestling Senior National Champion who has wrestled for 30+ years. After he took me down, landing on top of me, I tapped him with a guillotine. After getting up, he told me that they don't train to defend against those because they're against the rules. Now, he did go on to cream me twice in a row after that, but I think this empirical anecdote does support RDs point, i.e., that if you train a sport and ignore certain things because they're against the rules (anything from weapons to groin strikes) than they COULD BE a potential blind spot in a street fight because you reflexively ignore ignore them.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

So, in a nutshell 'alive' training was indeed a factor. It allowed Anthony to survive the strikes, and I believe Rudy would have learned to breathe better had he done alive training. Notice that Anthony, who took more shots then Rudy and shot for several takedowns, was not really that winded after the fight.

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No, you are wrong because Rudy does do plenty of Alive training, and allways has. He's from a really Old School Kung Fu line. I think during his knee injury issues he just lost a lot of his conditioning and simply did not have enough time to build it back up to it's previous levels for this fight. That requires a lot of solo work.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

phoenixrising,
Thanks for helping me articulate my position.