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Thread: How do you realistically defend against a Dog?

  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by latta View Post
    Certainly a vicious dog can tear off a chunk of flesh, break small bones, and, given a little time or perhaps a pack of dogs, maim and maul to the tune of hundreds of stitches, as well as severing arteries causing blood loss resulting in death. Small children and elderly people are especially vulnerable, as they are physically vulnerable and unable to defend themselves. I had an English Mastiff which could chew up the large joints of a cow like candy. However, a dog cannot tear off an arm, leg, or head as we have all seen happen with bears, sharks, alligators, tigers, and the like. Definitely, though, it has been proven over and over that dogs can kill people, and the smaller the person and larger the dog, the more dangerous the result. I can recall years ago when 3 Pekinese mauled a baby to death.

    On the other hand, as the former president of an ADBA-sponsored club here, I once organized and ran an APBT (American Pit Bull Terrier) - only fun show where we had 112 entered dogs without a single incident of any kind. I have offered to lecture on the care, restraint, and handling of dogs here, as we, like most cities, have a big problem, yet I never got any response at all from any dog organizations here. Apparently, they like things to happen first so they can provide a knee-jerk reaction after the fact, or maybe they simply like to appear to know everything.

    The gist of my lectures would be the methods and different types of effective restraint of a dog, as well as the bad ideas. For instance, double nylon collars, rather than a single leather collar. Eventually the leather can stretch and the dog gets away because the owner never checks it. And one would be amazed how many people tie up their dogs with rope or light chain, which any self-respecting dog will chew out of immediately. And some people walk or tie up their dogs in harnesses, which some dogs are very adept at backing out of. A dog anywhere in close unavoidable contact with people should be muzzled just as a courtesy.

    And it's amazing how many dog owners think it's funny when their dog barks at someone, either off- or on-lead or through or across the fence. Not many people find this amusing. Or how many people will let their dogs loose unrestrained on their property with the result that the dog runs off the property to challenge someone or chase something, then runs back on the property. Also a dog should never be aggressive towards its owner, even when pushed off its food dish. It should never growl at the owner's family, and especially not at children. If it runs off its property and attacks a person or another animal, it should be euthanized. No 2- or 3-strike rule, because the 1st strike could kill or maim a person. And there is liability on the part of the dog owner. The injured person has recourse to civil suits. Sue the pants off the dog owner.

    A dog should be trained to stay in a travel kennel when on the road, so it doesn't run out and chase or attack someone or something. The collar should be no looser than 2 fingers between collar and neck, and no tighter than 1 finger. The size of the collar and strength of the lead and clasp should be proportionate to the size of the dog. Double clasps with strong swivels are a good way to prevent a dog from unfastening a single clasp, which some dogs have a knack for doing. Of course, all dogs used in a public setting should have a minimum of training. It only takes 10 - 15 minutes of training per day from an early age, say 4 - 6 weeks, to train a dog.

    A dog which attacks its owner, family, or friends without good cause should be euthanized, not taken to the pound or given away where it becomes someone else's problem. And a loose dog or other dog problem should be reported to the proper authorities BEFORE an accident or tragedy. You'd be surprised how fast these bad-assed gangbangers with impressive dogs run and hide under their bed the first time something comes down. Who did you see defending Michael Vick?... not that he deserved any defense. A guy who would electrocute or drown dogs that just fought for their owner should be drowned or electrocuted himself. But his own family and friends rolled over on him and ****ed on themselves to save themselves stiffer charges and potential jail times and fines.

    When one's dog of a particular breed attacks someone, it reflects on the whole breed, not just the individual dog or the owner, just as a guy who trains in karate, MMA, or any martial art, then gets busted for rape, child porn, mugging, or drugs, reflects on the whole art. People are fear-mongers. They need to know dogs, and by extension the dog owners, are under control, rather than out to get them. Sorry, I tend to rant on this subject. BTW I see where LA just passed a law requiring most dogs and cats to get spayed or neutered. I think LA will always have a problem until they require the spaying and neutering of most people. As the late great Pete Sparks said, "The more I see of people, the better I like dogs"....
    This was a great series of posts! Not only the thoughts on breeds and dog behavior, but most of your defenses(the only thing is if you are fighting a dog EXPECT to get bitten, because the chances are they will get you) I just posted on another thread talking about breeds and the fear mongering that goes on with a lot of them, and I in fact talked about the culling of human aggressive dogs in fighting breeds. Cheers

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    Another interesting development....

    Some people are phobic regarding dogs, although I don't necessarily blame them sometimes:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0320132646.htm

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    It all depends on the size of the dog, the breed, and what is was trained for!
    The look at yourself, the one facing the dog, your size, what you are carrying (basebal bat!) other people around and how vicious you are when attacked.

    If Mas Oyama could kill a bull and a bull, being larger can destroy a dog, then a man (who is bad a enought like Boris) can surely teach the dog a lesson and have him for lunch.

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    I think I would die if I was walking down the street and saw a guy lock in a rear naked choke on a coyote

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    When facing an aggressive dog the number one concern is your body language. Dog's rely on instinct so keep your head high, make yourself big, don't back away (even an inch) and stare directly at their eyes. Make lots of noise and try a bluff charge or two. If the animal clamps onto you press the skin of their cheek between their teeth to get them to release. To defeat a dog it is usually enough to pin him on his back by his neck until he surrenders (stops struggling, ears go down, tail relaxes) but that is risky for a wild dog. One of a dog's weakest points is it's sternum, grabbing both front paws and forcefully spreading them apart can cause massive injury to a dog (or any quadraped). Pinning a dog down on his front with one arm pressing down on the back of his neck while the other hand snaps his head up will break his neck. I recommend avoiding situations where you must fight a dog, or any animal, but I share these points as a last resort.

    Playfighting with pet dogs is, IMO, a terrible idea. All dogs should know that using it's mouth on a human is totally unacceptable (even if it's gentle/cute).

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    I find it odd that some of you feel that dog's shouldn't be allowed to bark, or growl, or play rough with someone. They are DOGS...and each has their own distinct personality. They will know the difference between playing, and actually fighting, biting, aggressing, etc.

    If you want to euthenize a dog because he got ****ed off at someone, than than we should euthenize some people for assault. Dogs are not property...they're living beings. People aren't perfect, and thus you shouldn't expect your dog to be either. Don't get me wrong though--I do believe a dog should be well trained from it's youth, but a "mistake" isn't justification for euthanization.

    Saying that a dog should be euthenized simply for running across the street and bowing up to someone or something is moronic. They are protective of their territory, that's a natural and in my opinion, a good thing--so long as they know to obey commands and know the limits of their territory (which shouldn't be across the street but you get the idea).

    As far as "fighting" a dog, if it's a lone dog, you shouldn't have a problem, lot's of things in this thread have been said that would work...most of the time...body language will do the trick.
    "I don't know if anyone is known with the art of "sitting on your couch" here, but in my eyes it is also to be a martial art.

    It is the art of avoiding dangerous situations. It helps you to avoid a dangerous situation by not actually being there. So lets say there is a dangerous situation going on somewhere other than your couch. You are safely seated on your couch so you have in a nutshell "difused" the situation."

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    The word "chinatown" usually does the trick for me.
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  9. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by jacksawild View Post
    Make lots of noise and try a bluff charge or two. If the animal clamps onto you press the skin of their cheek between their teeth to get them to release. To defeat a dog it is usually enough to pin him on his back by his neck until he surrenders (stops struggling, ears go down, tail relaxes) but that is risky for a wild dog. One of a dog's weakest points is it's sternum, grabbing both front paws and forcefully spreading them apart can cause massive injury to a dog (or any quadraped). Pinning a dog down on his front with one arm pressing down on the back of his neck while the other hand snaps his head up will break his neck. I recommend avoiding situations where you must fight a dog, or any animal, but I share these points as a last resort.

    Playfighting with pet dogs is, IMO, a terrible idea. All dogs should know that using it's mouth on a human is totally unacceptable (even if it's gentle/cute).
    Worst advice ever please do not listen to this, as this can get you VERY hurt.

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    You should never stare a dog in the in the face. That is a challenge to them.
    Last edited by Fox; 04-25-2008 at 08:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zapruder_bjj View Post
    Worst advice ever please do not listen to this, as this can get you VERY hurt.
    Having worked with dog handlers in the military and police it is standard advice and of course it's dangerous but it is last resort stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    You should never stare a dog in the in the fsce. Yhat is a challenge to them.
    Very true but if a dog is aggressivley attacking you it is better to appear threatening.

  12. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by jacksawild View Post
    Having worked with dog handlers in the military and police it is standard advice and of course it's dangerous but it is last resort stuff.
    That is NOT standard advice, it is pure bad advice. There have been good posts on this thread with useful practical information...but you sir were not one of those people, and if people listen to you they WILL get hurt. Like I said before worst advice ever.

  13. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by jacksawild View Post
    Very true but if a dog is aggressivley attacking you it is better to appear threatening.
    This is like putting your hand on a hot stove and turning UP the heat...OMG PLEASE STOP POSTING HERE!! I honestly cant tell if you are a really subtle troll job or if you are really just that stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksawild View Post
    Having worked with dog handlers in the military and police it is standard advice and of course it's dangerous but it is last resort stuff.


    Very true but if a dog is aggressivley attacking you it is better to appear threatening.
    Pepper spray works , just fine for me. It gives me enough time to get away.

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    I was attacked by a dog, and I won lol

    I know there used to be a thread on how to deal with dog attacks but i cant find it. any mod feel free to move this where ever

    Anywho, i was attacked by a dog this weekend.

    here is what happened:

    I left my apartment and turned down the walkway to get to the stairs. the view is blocked by bushes. when i turn and walk toward the stairs there is an old dog there all alone, it got startled and started growling... i came up on it pretty fast and so stupidly i just edged my way around it. it snapped at my crotch but i dodged it and went for the stairs. at the bottom of the stairs a moving van was backed up to the stairs with a rot weiler (sp) tethered to the bumper and able to reach the steps... it was freaking rabid from hearing the old dog go agro. i turned to go back up the stairs to see at eye level the old dog going rabid. rather than risk getting my face bit off i went toward the rotty, yelling to anyone who may own them. no one was present. i yelled 'if your dog attacks me im hitting it!"

    knowing how dogs are i started to try and skirt this foaming ******* as it growled and snapped at me. i kept my for arm in front of me horizontal knowing either the dog would bite it or not, if it wanted to bite and its not there it will go for my groin or jump for my face. it took the bait and snapped once then bit down on my arm. i stepped into the dog shoving my arm into its mouth as hard as i could, then i used the knife edge of my hand to hit it on the top of the head a few times until it let go, then i sped away.

    luckily i wear leather and it was raining out, it saved my arm from getting shreded up. my jacket has some marks. my arm is pretty sore still, and there were some pretty puffed up marks from where the long teeth pushed down into my arm. the whole area is red and tender and a bit swollen, but im pretty sure there isnt any real damage.

    worst part is i know dog nature and its not the dogs fault. didnt and wont call the authorities cuz i dont want the dog to be put down for having stupid owners.
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