The Death of TMA

[1bad65]

In MMA, wrestling and BJJ we call it a takedown.

And if you haven't been shown why you don't want to step between someone's legs from behind, you need a better sub-grappling coach.

Knifefighter is correct.

You guys do know his credentials, right?

[Water Dragon]

because I have zero ground fighting knowledge, would you elaborate a bit on why the inside trips get one kill against a bjj guy?

O Uchi Gari is an inside trip. A good O Uchi man will destroy you with the throw. That being said, I can't do O Uchi for jack, which make me happy that I know how to pass guard.

There are no absolutes. If I do O Uchi, I'm getting put in a guard. A specialist will turn yo @ss into a pancake though.

[Water Dragon]

Even worse are the step behind takedowns favored by Hung Ga... straight into a knee bar.

What are they doing? I don't think I've seen that one.

[lkfmdc]

Knifefighter,

I did Hung Ga for a good number of years, yet I am not sure what technique you are referring to?

The most recognizable sweep in Hung Ga is basicly and O-Soto Gari, no throw is perfect but O-Soto is pretty standard and high percentage.....

Just curious which technique you are referring to?

[Becca]

LOL... In MMA, wrestling and BJJ we call it a takedown.

Yes. And in a stand-up art, it is called a sweep. Your point is?

And good luck the first time you step between a sub-grapplers legs from behind.

Now, if I was BEHIND them, I'd be using a choke to take them down, not a sweep.

[Becca]

Knifefighter is correct.

You guys do know his credentials, right?

Yep, I do. I will bow to his expertese on grappling every time. That does not make his oppinions gosple, though. And is oppinions on anything stand-up of TCMA related are very heavliy coated in bull ooky.

[1bad65]

Yep, I do. I will bow to his expertese on grappling every time. That does not make his oppinions gosple, though. And is oppinions on anything stand-up of TCMA related are very heavliy coated in bull ooky.

TCMA or not, the discussion is on takedowns, not on standup as in striking. He is right on this one. Even cops are taught not to put one of their legs between someone's legs they are frisking because the guy could reach down and grab it.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

What about crashing through by going between thier legs? How would they have *Time* to counter that?

[Becca]

TCMA or not, the discussion is on takedowns, not on standup as in striking. He is right on this one. Even cops are taught not to put one of their legs between someone's legs they are frisking because the guy could reach down and grab it.

No kidding. But he *also* said he was talking about a Hung Ga "rear take down" (sweep), which is stand up. The way he was describing it made it obvious he was probably descibing a failed attemp he might have once seen, not a technique done properly. If he knew as much about Hung Ga as he thinks he does, he would not have a) called it a take down and b) would have noted that a failed rear sweep can get you knee bared.

[PangQuan]

why do you guys even try anymore?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Because we are argumentative, and this is a better outlet than debating politics with people we know in real life.

[Becca]

Because we are argumentative, and this is a better outlet than debating politics with people we know in real life.

Ditto. My co-workers go crying to the boss when I start arguments over semantics with them.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

What Wusses!!!

[PangQuan]

http://infowars.com/articles/bb/dna_...45_seconds.htm

discuss this. its freaky. just wait till its our turn

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

This is one reason why I want to move out to the country......like WAY out, to where the cops are still driving 1970 Ford Galaxies.