How Does One Defeat Gracie Jujistu ?

[FANWOO]

i can not figure out how a to keep a gracie jujitsu person from closing the gap and taking a kyukoshin karate (me) to the ground. or how to defeat him. any help please ? oh, i never use high kicks,but rather low and close.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Learn Gracie Jujitsu. They know how to counter thier own stuff.

[Water Dragon]

Judo would be a good choice too. A lot of Karate guys do some Judo.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

WD,
Are you into Pastaphanarisum?

[Knifefighter]

Use your high kicks.

Throw them from a low horse stance.

Then elbow them as they come in.

If that doesn't work, you can lookup some Wing Chun anti grappling on You Tube... it is very effective for keeping them away.

[lkfmdc]

Use your high kicks.

Throw them from a low horse stance.

Then elbow them as they come in.

If that doesn't work, you can lookup some Wing Chun anti grappling on You Tube... it is very effective for keeping them away.

Those mere external systems don't work, you need INTERNAL

Learn Tai Chi, the push hands will deflect them, then use your ba gua grappling

[monji112000]

Use your high kicks.

Throw them from a low horse stance.

Then elbow them as they come in.

If that doesn't work, you can lookup some Wing Chun anti grappling on You Tube... it is very effective for keeping them away.

what if he uses anti-anti-grappling? Then you are in trouble.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fRbnvGDyPKI
Why not just stab him when he come in its more practical?

I would not join a BJJ school. Visit a MMA a school, learn some basic wrestling and clinching.

Actually, most Chinese systems have all the tools needed to not be taken down. Heck, movement representing a Sprawl is in one of my Tai Tzu forms. Tai Chi is especially good at keeping a dominate position, and keeping an opponent off balance.

sprawl? I have seen a half sprawl by some kung fu people that seemed to work if you time it correctly..but a full sprawl.. It uses some basic Kung Fu ideas like redirecting force, and structure but thats only general ideas.

[xcakid]

i can not figure out how a to keep a gracie jujitsu person from closing the gap and taking a kyukoshin karate (me) to the ground. or how to defeat him. any help please ? oh, i never use high kicks,but rather low and close.

Have a friend or two of yours jump on him after he mounts you. BJJ are not big on multiple attackers.

Fight a fighter in his fight and you will rather likely lose if the fighter is better than you. So take him out of his element.

[RonH]

i can not figure out how a to keep a gracie jujitsu person from closing the gap and taking a kyukoshin karate (me) to the ground. or how to defeat him. any help please ? oh, i never use high kicks,but rather low and close.

Let them come at you. Usually, when someone is taught to take someone to the ground, they say go for their center of gravity. When they lean forward, wrapping their arm(s) around your waist/abdomin, put your elbow at the base of the back of their neck, just above the spot where the shoulders meet the neck. With the same arm, scoop under their upper arm (if you press down with your right elbow, use your right hand to scoop under the upper end of their right upper arm) and pull up on that arm, while you press down on their neck and drop your weight. Don't do it too quickly because this move will extremely easily break a neck making them paralyzed or dead. Going down on one knee is enough to stop a lot of people, just just don't let your body drop like a sack of potatoes. When doing this move, you have to be controlled. No joke. Doing that move, the average neck can only stand about 140 pounds before it's too much. If a little pain this way doesn't stop them, hammer down with your free hand on them. Or make a fist with your free hand, but put the tip of your thumb against the side of first joint of the index finger after the knuckle. The tip of the thumb uses the side of the joint as a support and slam the joint of the thumb that juts out when it is in this position. Hit their temple with this jutting out joint. Just don't let yourself get too carried away with the temple striking and put more pressure on the back of their neck than you should be giving them.

[Knifefighter]

Just don't let yourself get too carried away with the temple striking and put more pressure on the back of their neck than you should be giving them.

Yeah, listen to Ron... I've done both of these too hard a few times and have ended up killing several people. Lost some good training partners this way.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Let them come at you. Usually, when someone is taught to take someone to the ground, they say go for their center of gravity. When they lean forward, wrapping their arm(s) around your waist/abdomin, put your elbow at the base of the back of their neck, just above the spot where the shoulders meet the neck. With the same arm, scoop under their upper arm (if you press down with your right elbow, use your right hand to scoop under the upper end of their right upper arm) and pull up on that arm, while you press down on their neck and drop your weight. Don't do it too quickly because this move will extremely easily break a neck making them paralyzed or dead. Going down on one knee is enough to stop a lot of people, just just don't let your body drop like a sack of potatoes. When doing this move, you have to be controlled. No joke. Doing that move, the average neck can only stand about 140 pounds before it's too much. If a little pain this way doesn't stop them, hammer down with your free hand on them. Or make a fist with your free hand, but put the tip of your thumb against the side of first joint of the index finger after the knuckle. The tip of the thumb uses the side of the joint as a support and slam the joint of the thumb that juts out when it is in this position. Hit their temple with this jutting out joint. Just don't let yourself get too carried away with the temple striking and put more pressure on the back of their neck than you should be giving them.

Seriously? If someone's shooting, you don't push their head down. You try to push it back and make them look up. If you push it down, you do nothing to stop their momentum, and him crashing into you will probably not fare well for you either. If you manage to push his forehead back, so he's looking forward/up, it'll kill most of his momentum and stop him short. Good luck doing this without much practice though.

[Ben Gash]

Yeah, I'd rather be taken down by a double leg than a double ankle pick Although to be fair you do force the head down when you sprawl.
You're not going to beat anyone if you don't have confidence in what you do, which you appear not to. If you do Kyokushin then I assume you're quite good at high kicks, and have practiced them with heavy contact at high intensity. Therefore there's no reason not to use them per se. In the early MMA period Maurice Smith absolutely kicked the s**t out of a Carlson Gracie black belt (who outweighed him), ending the fight with a roundhouse to the head. Indeed I always find this fight interesting, as it showed many of the "myths" of standup Vs grappiling to actually have some truth. Silveira became scared to even attempt to close on Smith because of the punishment he was taking on the way in.
Part of the problem with the "BJJ ruled against strikers in the early UFCs" truth is it's only half the story. The Gracies continue to represent the top 5% of competitive grapplers, whereas the strikers they fought were a bunch of has-beens and nobodies (with the exception of Orlando Wiet who was a light middleweight and lost to a 250lb guy ), people with obscure titles, big fish in very small ponds and people years past their best. At the time Bart Vale attributed this to the lack of upfront money. Guys like the K1 champions weren't going to risk getting hurt for free.
Smith at the time was a guy who's career had dipped, but was heading up again.
Mirko Filipovic uses high kicks against grapplers all the time, Mark Weir (TKD guy on the Cage Rage circuit) uses high kicks all the time. Indeed he used them to take the fastest KO record at UFC 38.
If you want to see a masterclass on using striking to shut down the shoot then watch Cung Le Vs Tony Frykland.
I would heartily recommend that you study a respected grappling style such as BJJ, Sambo, Catch Wrestling or freestyle wrestling, they're useful skills and fun

[Merryprankster]

Seriously? If someone's shooting, you don't push their head down.

Depends.

Let them come at you. Usually, when someone is taught to take someone to the ground, they say go for their center of gravity. When they lean forward, wrapping their arm(s) around your waist/abdomin, put your elbow at the base of the back of their neck, just above the spot where the shoulders meet the neck. With the same arm, scoop under their upper arm (if you press down with your right elbow, use your right hand to scoop under the upper end of their right upper arm) and pull up on that arm, while you press down on their neck and drop your weight. Don't do it too quickly because this move will extremely easily break a neck making them paralyzed or dead. Going down on one knee is enough to stop a lot of people, just just don't let your body drop like a sack of potatoes. When doing this move, you have to be controlled. No joke. Doing that move, the average neck can only stand about 140 pounds before it's too much. If a little pain this way doesn't stop them, hammer down with your free hand on them. Or make a fist with your free hand, but put the tip of your thumb against the side of first joint of the index finger after the knuckle. The tip of the thumb uses the side of the joint as a support and slam the joint of the thumb that juts out when it is in this position. Hit their temple with this jutting out joint. Just don't let yourself get too carried away with the temple striking and put more pressure on the back of their neck than you should be giving them.

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.

[Shaolinlueb]

grab their balls and start rubbing them asking if they like it. most GJJ practioners are ****phobes so that will get them off of you.

or poke them in the eye. they on top mount go for their groin. e.i. fight like a dirtbag. they stick to their rules. lol

[BlueTravesty]

Nothing can stop a truly dedicated grappler. N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

Not elbows, not knees, not roundhouse kicks, not mace, not a girl scout standing in front of you selling cookies.

The only hope you have is to find those spikes that kill Mega Man in one hit when he falls on them, and place a trap door in front of your opponent. Of course, this will only work if your opponent is wearing blue ceramic armor. Obviously, these are not the usual circumstances you'd find in the Octagon, but if you funnel enough money Dana White's way, you shouldn't have too much trouble getting the necessary arrangements made. Don't thank me though- seeing Matt Hughes flying apart in a shower of bright white spheres is all I need.