How Does One Defeat Gracie Jujistu ?

[RonH]

Seriously? If someone's shooting, you don't push their head down. You try to push it back and make them look up. If you push it down, you do nothing to stop their momentum, and him crashing into you will probably not fare well for you either. If you manage to push his forehead back, so he's looking forward/up, it'll kill most of his momentum and stop him short. Good luck doing this without much practice though.

Seriously. If I were to do that move, my only intention is to use the momentum they are using, so that I make them run into the ground and hurt themselves.

LOL! Hilarious! You should have a show in Vegas!

And what is it that I said that was funny?

[Water Dragon]

Just learn that fighting range, learn grappling.

or not. People make too big a deal over this stuff. Train what you want, have fun. It's not like we're going out getting mugged or attacked by gangs all the time. I lived in one of the worst areas of the country for about ten years. I used this stuff once, choked a drunk guy out in a bar. That's it. Knowing grappling or not isn't gonna get you out of trouble. Situational awareness is what gets you out of trouble.

[Knifefighter]

Yeah, I'd rather be taken down by a double leg than a double ankle pick

There's no such thing as a double ankle pick.

[lkfmdc]

There's no such thing as a double ankle pick.

that's correct, it is usually the single ankle pick, but if you manage to study a certain Shaolin system, you will learn the deadly triple ankle pick!

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

or not. People make too big a deal over this stuff. Train what you want, have fun. It's not like we're going out getting mugged or attacked by gangs all the time. I lived in one of the worst areas of the country for about ten years. I used this stuff once, choked a drunk guy out in a bar. That's it. Knowing grappling or not isn't gonna get you out of trouble. Situational awareness is what gets you out of trouble.

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Well said.

[rogue]

that's correct, it is usually the single ankle pick, but if you manage to study a certain Shaolin system, you will learn the deadly triple ankle pick!

Watchit buddy, that aint no third ankle that you're picking. If ya know what I mean.

[Black Jack II]

or not. People make too big a deal over this stuff. Train what you want, have fun

The last six words are money.

Situational awareness is what gets you out of trouble.

This is money as well. It should be anyone's first freakin mantra.

As for grappling, if we are talking in the CONTEXT of this thread, as in trying to defeat a bjj guy, then yeah I stand by my statement.

[rogue]

or not. People make too big a deal over this stuff. Train what you want, have fun. It's not like we're going out getting mugged or attacked by gangs all the time. I lived in one of the worst areas of the country for about ten years. I used this stuff once, choked a drunk guy out in a bar. That's it. Knowing grappling or not isn't gonna get you out of trouble. Situational awareness is what gets you out of trouble.

Word my brother. Situational awareness and not saying while visiting a BJJ school, "Hey, that looks so gay!"

Really, most of this training is because we get some kind of strange enjoyment out of it.

[unkokusai]

And what is it that I said that was funny?

Oh, I thought you were just kidding. Now, what's funny about it is that you apparently believe it.


Yow...

[Ben Gash]

I know a Judo guy who does a double ankle. I suppose really we're splitting hairs as to what the difference between an ankle and a REALLY low leg is.

[Nick Forrer]

There's no such thing as a double ankle pick.

what do you call a double leg where you grab the heels and not the hamstrings. Just a low double leg? I think thats what he means.

[unkokusai]

I know a Judo guy who does a double ankle. I suppose really we're splitting hairs as to what the difference between an ankle and a REALLY low leg is.

Didn't notice the double part. What exactly is a double ankle pick?

[RonH]

Oh, I thought you were just kidding. Now, what's funny about it is that you apparently believe it.

Yow...

So, the concept of adding a bendable neck for crashtest dummies for testing car safety, airplane safety...all these people that do research on just how much stress the neck can take before damage is suffered to engineer safer car air bags and the like are just...insane?

[Knifefighter]

So, the concept of adding a bendable neck for crashtest dummies for testing car safety, airplane safety...all these people that do research on just how much stress the neck can take before damage is suffered to engineer safer car air bags and the like are just...insane?

What is insane are the theoretical non-fighters who try to extrapolate that data to something as stupid as that ineffective leverage type move to the neck that you described.

That data would be much more applicable to striking to the head than it would be to neck manipulations.

BTW, grapplers regularly use moves (i.e. 1/4 nelson, crucifix, etc) that are much more effective and put much more pressure on the neck than that dumba$$ move that you described without breaking each others necks.

[unkokusai]

Yeah, good luck with your 'theories' kid...