4 sects and 10 boxing styles - historical or not?

[Sal Canzonieri]

Wikipedia has an article on this game, which FIFA considers to be the father of modern soccer.

I think there is another game called Jiu Zhizi too?

[taaigihk]

Not much to tell, it's kicking movements and so on based on what you do always in Soccer on the field and in training.

One of the kicks was a cool side flick with a leg which kicks the other person's backside.

Sounds cool.

Thanks.

[ghostexorcist]

I think there is another game called Jiu Zhizi too?

I can only find info on Cuju. Although not sourced, this page has some good info:

http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/English...00604/4p60.htm

If you present the Chinese characters for the name, maybe some Chinese info can be found to corroborate Jiu Zhizi.

[Shaolin Master]

Sal,

蹶子脚 (Juezijiao): A technique of Chuojiao should not be confused with Jiu Zhizi. 九枝子.
Although the sport did flourish during times of Song Dynasty, upon which Chuojiao was developed (in legend), but there is a lot more in Chuojiao nowadays than the simple techniques of Cuju.

ghostexorcist,

1. The site http://www.satirio.com/ma/home.html is not American (it may be hosted there in some server but it is from Asia - China, Aus, Singapore).....
2. I may have missed your mails, I have been relocating countries and tend travel a lot so you may have sent to dead email or something....oh and I rarely am angered so do not jump the gun with assumptions........I will have a look. ....

Kind Regards
Wu Chanlong

[ghostexorcist]

Sal,

蹶子脚 (Juezijiao): A technique of Chuojiao should not be confused with Jiu Zhizi. 九枝子.
Although the sport did flourish during times of Song Dynasty, upon which Chuojiao was developed (in legend), but there is a lot more in Chuojiao nowadays than the simple techniques of Cuju.

ghostexorcist,

1. The site http://www.satirio.com/ma/home.html is not American (it may be hosted there in some server but it is from Asia - China, Aus, Singapore).....
2. I may have missed your mails, I have been relocating countries and tend travel a lot so you may have sent to dead email or something....oh and I rarely am angered so do not jump the gun with assumptions........I will have a look. ....

Kind Regards
Wu Chanlong

I apologize for my previous statements then. So what are the differences between Cuju and Jiu Zhizi? Perhaps one is a sub-game of the other, like soccer and rugby.

[Sal Canzonieri]

Does anyone know anything about this (Got this from VCD on LiuHe Mens style):

LiuHe Men, according to oral history, was an integrated system from the arts of these people:

Yang You Ji,
Wu Zhi Xu,
Yue Fei,
Xue Ren Gui,
Zhao Kuang Yin,
& Yang Yan Zhao.

[Shaolin Master]

Anything is possible (although the dates are dubious and if anything it is popular for arts to group famous individuals as the founders) ...but that is not the thought of our Cangzhou Liuhequan lineage.

[Ben Gash]

Wikipedia has an article on this game, which FIFA considers to be the father of modern soccer.

Which says a lot about FIFA really Cuju can't be the "father" of modern soccer, as modern soccer is directly descended from medieval European football, which can be accurately traced back to the 1100s, Centuries before european contact with China, and over a century before the Mongol incursions into the middle east. There is no point of contact for the two, and Cuju is a very different game. It may be accurate to say that Cuju is the earliest documented form of football, but it is hardly the "father" of modern soccer.
Even tenuous attempts to find a point of contact don't work, as it could just as easily be argued that Cuju was descended from Phaininda and found it's way from Persia/Pakistan to China after the Alexandrian conquests.

[golden arhat]

Wikipedia has an article on this game, which FIFA considers to be the father of modern soccer.

i doubt this
unless u can find citation


modern football came from the tudor game of football where hundreds of ppl would be divided say between 2 towns with goals at wither end and a pigs bladder blown up for a ball

the goal was to get it to the opposite towns goal

this chinese game may be played similarly to football but there is no way it was taken from china to europe
especially with all our war mongering in europe and the middle east from the middle ages onwards
it is much more likely that we the brits fathered the modern game of football

[ghostexorcist]

i doubt this
unless u can find citation

This was in the wikipedia article:

http://www.fifa.com/womenolympic/des...try/index.html

[ghostexorcist]

Cuju can't be the "father" of modern soccer, as modern soccer is directly descended from medieval European football, which can be accurately traced back to the 1100s, Centuries before european contact with China, and over a century before the Mongol incursions into the middle east.

The Chinese were directly and indirectly trading with the Roman empire before the birth of Christ. I don't know when the game was created, but the article says it was popular during the Warring states perod (5th-3rd century BCE), which means it existed before this time. It could have spread west via merchants. However, I am not an expert in cross-cultural exchanges, so I can only speculate based upon the given material.

I'll just stick with FIFA's claims since it is the governing body of football.

[golden arhat]

I'll just stick with FIFA's claims since it is the governing body of football.

NO

SHUT UR HOLE

WE CREATED THE BEST GAME ON EARTH

EVER
thats the long and short of it

i'm sure many ppl have thought about making a game aof kicking a ball

but fifa can go to hell


football is english

end of story

[ghostexorcist]

NO

SHUT UR HOLE

WE CREATED THE BEST GAME ON EARTH

EVER
thats the long and short of it

i'm sure many ppl have thought about making a game aof kicking a ball

but fifa can go to hell


football is english

end of story

SOCCER HOOLIGANS UNITE!

[golden arhat]

SOCCER HOOLIGANS UNITE!

dont call it soccer either

ur only embarrassing urself


psssh americans

[Golden Spider]

So much for that interesting discussion...
Was there anymore research, not about football or related derivatives...
Four sects, Ten styles?