Literati Tradition: Neidan Meditation

[Doc Stier]

Neidan: The Traditional Meditative Practice

http://www.literati-tradition.com/me..._practice.html

Doc

[NJM]

So, are you a bot?

[Doc Stier]

LOL Now that was really a classy reply to the thread topic...NOT! How embarrassing! Sometimes, it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open the mouth and remove all doubt!

Doc

[NJM]

Multiple topics with the same vague double link was suspicious. Maybe you should make one topic?

[Doc Stier]

Maybe I intended to keep them separate in case anyone wished to discuss them individually, hence the specific thread links for each, but thanks for the suggestion.

Knowledge of and/or posting of multiple topics does not necessarily imply a 'bot'!

Doc

[Daniel09]

And why thou wishest to speak in proverbs is also unbeknownst to us all.

[Doc Stier]

Too bad that you don't have anything of meaningful substance to say about the content of the linked article, but then I'm not totally surprised by that!

Doc

[Scott R. Brown]

So, are you a bot?

A simple question that was not rudely stated and was not answered either.

LOL Now that was really a classy reply to the thread topic...NOT! How embarrassing!

It is more productive to ignore what may be considered a classless post rather than to follow it with an even more classless one.

Sometimes, it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open the mouth and remove all doubt!

You might want to take your own advice here!

Multiple topics with the same vague double link was suspicious. Maybe you should make one topic?

This is a good point! Multiple posts like those posted raise red flags to some. NJM was not rude or disrespectful in his questioning.

Maybe I intended to keep them separate in case anyone wished to discuss them individually, hence the specific thread links for each, but thanks for the suggestion.

Knowledge of and/or posting of multiple topics does not necessarily imply a 'bot'!

Doc

Posting them without actually providing any comment raises red flags to some as well.

And......it does imply a 'bot' which is why a question was asked. The question received a snide response which increases the likelihood of a bot.

And why thou wishest to speak in proverbs is also unbeknownst to us all.

Too bad that you don't have anything of meaningful substance to say about the content of the linked article, but then I'm not totally surprised by that!

Doc

Your links are interesting, but so far you have provided nothing meaningful or of substance yourself. Only snide responses.

I understand you may feel offended by the questions and the comments that have been posted, but so far your responses have not demonstrated anymore substance, maturity, insight, or wisdom than what you seem to imply you are receiving from the responders!

[Doc Stier]

Scott:

Your comments are also interesting, and entertaining, but so far you have provided nothing meaningful or of substance yourself. Only more snide responses. So you are apparently just one more guy looking for an argument and offering only criticism, while the meaningful substance of the linked article that I offered remains totally unaddressed. What a hoot!

If you have something intelligent to offer relative to the linked article, please post it. I'd love to see what your perspective is. If not, please ignore this thread altogether. Thanks.

Doc

[Daniel09]

Ok, I read the article (mostly, not all)
It's talking about an inner alchemic meditative practice that focuses on bringing the spirit to the "timelessness"
Some of the things addressed in it are very interesting and provide a good read for people with time.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Neidan: The Traditional Meditative Practice

http://www.literati-tradition.com/me..._practice.html

Doc

Very interesting Doc, inner alchemy is something I have started to take note of more and more, things like tantric martial arts and such.

Thanks for the article.
I shall study it more.

[Doc Stier]

Any attempt at semantic interpretation of Taoist Neidan philosophy and methodology from the uniquely different spiritual points of view and different accompanying world views inherent to other Religious and Spiritual Traditions is doomed to misunderstanding and failure from the outset. It must be viewed in its own Light in order to fully and accurately understand its spiritual philosophy, the agenda priorities of its methodology, and its foundational 'intention' or 'yi'. To approach it in any other way, from any other point of view, is merely a misdirected attempt to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Whereas Western or European Alchemy strove to transmute base metals into gold for material wealth gain, Taoist Alchemy strives to transmute Essential Physical Vitality (Jing) into Intrinsic Energy (Qi) as a means of Physical Self-Cultivation for health and indefinite longevity, and to subsequently transmute Intrinsic Energy (Qi) into Pure Spirit Consciousness (Shen) as a means of Spiritual Self-Realization. Correctly perceived, this is clearly an Inner Transformation of Body, Mind, and Spirit which emanates from the very core or 'Center' of one's Being at every level, hence the use of the identifying term 'Neidan' or 'Inner Center'. The 'Center' so referenced certainly includes, but is not limited to any 'chakras' or 'energy centers' with specific anatomical locations, nor any specific states of consciousness, however these may be envisioned or defined. Thus, the culmination of the Neidan practices is indeed unlimited, unrestricted, and 'Timeless' in nature, and devoid of any dependency on intellectual or philosophical constructs found in other Traditions.

Doc

[sanjuro_ronin]

And the martial application of such?
A long the lines of the Iron vest, iron wire and so forth?

[Doc Stier]

Without question, the transformative physical and energetic aspects of Traditional Taoist Neidan practice can and have been applied to internal gung-fu training in general, including practices intended to develop the 'Iron Shirt Kung-Fu', the 'Golden Bell Cover Kung-Fu', or other related skills, but such agenda priorities were never the original goals of Neidan training and meditation, which has always focused primarily on spiritual attainment instead. The physical health and longevity benefits, and the energetic benefits of Traditional Neidan training have generally been viewed as totally awesome 'perks' or auxilliary benefits experienced as a part of the overall process of inner transformation leading to the experience of its intended spiritual goals.

Doc

[sanjuro_ronin]

Without question, the transformative physical and energetic aspects of Traditional Taoist Neidan practice can and have been applied to internal gung-fu training in general, including practices intended to develop the 'Iron Shirt Kung-Fu', the 'Golden Bell Cover Kung-Fu', or other related skills, but such agenda priorities were never the original goals of Neidan training and meditation, which has always focused primarily on spiritual attainment instead. The physical health and longevity benefits, and the energetic benefits of Traditional Neidan training have generally been viewed as totally awesome 'perks' or auxilliary benefits experienced as a part of the overall process of inner transformation leading to the experience of its intended spiritual goals.

Doc

Understood.