Imperial Gaurd Gung Fu of the Royal Family

[diego]

http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/s...ign.com/Kaido/


Where are these Lama Imperial stylists today?. Any factual evidence online relating to this subject?.

[diego]

no SCHOLARS in here....

[Chosen-frozen]

Sorry Diego, I think you link is bad. All I get is a black screen.

[diego]

Sorry Diego, I think you link is bad. All I get is a black screen.

Link works for me... http://www.hygeia-design.com/Kaido/

How about that?^...look at the Hop gar page it talks about all the Imperial gaurds were required to train Lama Pai...

[jdhowland]

I don't believe there is any historical (=written) source for this. We have this story in our tradition, as well. One version of the story credits Wong Yan Lum with teaching the imperial guards during his travels, but that would make him an anti-patriot, so some versions backtrack and say that he did it only to spy on the forbidden city. Other versions put it back one generation and say it was Sing Lung who taught the dragon guards.

Personally, I prefer to see it as a generalization of the background story of Tibetan monks in China during the Qing. The reason there were so many Tibetan teachers/lamas in China at the time is that they were welcomed by the imperial family to be their priests, astrologers, physicians and yogis.

[diego]

I don't believe there is any historical (=written) source for this. We have this story in our tradition, as well. One version of the story credits Wong Yan Lum with teaching the imperial guards during his travels, but that would make him an anti-patriot, so some versions backtrack and say that he did it only to spy on the forbidden city. Other versions put it back one generation and say it was Sing Lung who taught the dragon guards.

Personally, I prefer to see it as a generalization of the background story of Tibetan monks in China during the Qing. The reason there were so many Tibetan teachers/lamas in China at the time is that they were welcomed by the imperial family to be their priests, astrologers, physicians and yogis.

What I'm wondering is what happenned to the gaurds of the Last Emperor?...Popular Kung Fu media in the west is pro-shaolin myths so I doubt they would do much write ups on the guys the shaolin inspired triads were fighting...but they gotta be out there somewhere...even if it's an unmarked grave from when the chinese took over...In the movie Last Emperor, after it took place what happenned to the gaurds?.

[Mas Judt]

Well we know that the personal bodygaurd of the last emperor was a Baji player...

Then the other guards you had a real mix... Shuai Chiao, Xing yi, Lama, BGZ... I'm not sure if historians ever cited a specific 'official' style... I could be wrong...

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

There has never been and official "Body Guard" style for the Imperial family's guards. Generally whatever system was effective is what was used, and most people cross trained in each others systems.

Some styles were more prominent than others, likes Bagua Zhang and Baiji for example, and Tong Bei and various Nei Quan styles from Sichuan back in the Sung and presung dynasties. I guess those would be the closest to "Official" styles, but in reality it's just that they were the systems most often used, not by any official systemized training program.

[diego]

what happenned to these gaurds after the last Emperor? they just went into civilian life or the commies and nationalists got them?.

[diego]

I got a southern revolution thread going on that board...I'm thinking may as well do a anti-shaolin thread here....


"FOOTNOTES:

[1] As there is a good deal of misunderstanding on the subject of the
Manchus an explanatory note is useful.

The Manchu people, who belong to the Mongol or Turanian Group, number at
the maximum five million souls. Their distribution at the time of the
revolution of 1911 was roughly as follows: In and around Peking say two
millions; in posts through China say one-half million,--or possibly
three-quarters of a million; in Manchuria Proper--the home of the
race--say two or two and a half millions. The fighting force was
composed in this fashion: When Peking fell into their hands in 1644 as a
result of a stratagem combined with dissensions among the Chinese
themselves, the entire armed strength was reorganized in Eight Banners
or Army Corps, each corps being composed of three racial divisions, (1)
pure Manchus, (2) Mongols who had assisted in the conquest and (3)
Northern Chinese who had gone over to the conquerors. These Eight
Banners, each commanded by an "iron-capped" Prince, represented the
authority of the Throne and had their headquarters in Peking with small
garrisons throughout the provinces at various strategic centres. These
garrisons had entirely ceased to have any value before the 18th Century
had closed and were therefore purely ceremonial and symbolic, all the
fighting being done by special Chinese corps which were raised as
necessity arose.

[2] This most interesting point--the immunity of Chinese women from
forced marriage with Manchus--has been far too little noticed by
historians though it throws a flood of light on the sociological aspects
of the Manchu conquest. Had that conquest been absolute it would have
been impossible for the Chinese people to have protected their
women-folk in such a significant way."

http://infomotions.com/etexts/gutenb...4345/14345.htm

[diego]

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/ind...howtopic=20717