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    Triad Gangs and Kung Fu

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    December 12, 1988
    Crime Gangs Exercise Vast Power in Hong Kong
    By BARBARA BASLER, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
    LEAD: Yan Sui Kuen was only 10 years old when, in a secret midnight ceremony on a Hong Kong rooftop, he swore eternal allegiance to a triad, one of the colony's infamous organized crime gangs.

    Yan Sui Kuen was only 10 years old when, in a secret midnight ceremony on a Hong Kong rooftop, he swore eternal allegiance to a triad, one of the colony's infamous organized crime gangs.

    Eleven young people were initiated that hot summer night, each one *****ing his middle finger and squeezing drops of blood into a cup. After the blood was mixed with water, each youngster drank from the cup, as 40 adult triad members, wearing white headbands, watched beneath the group's brilliant red banner.

    ''The ceremony was very long,'' Mr. Yan, now 42, recalled. ''They read many lessons and made us swear to many things.''

    The gangs are called triads because their mystic literature emphasizes a three-way relationship among heaven, earth, and man. But there is nothing fanciful about the fear they create among the people on whom they prey - the poorest of Hong Kong's 5.6 million people. Fear of Exported Gangs

    Now, as Chinese stream from Hong Kong to avoid the Communist takeover in 1997, the countries accepting large numbers of these new settlers fear that Hong Kong is exporting its gangs.

    ''We're on the phone every day now with one police department or another wanting to know about triads,'' complained a senior Royal Hong Kong Police official. ''We don't believe there is a mass exodus of triad members from Hong Kong, but everybody out there is worried and nervous.'

    Triads trace their roots back to 17th-century China, and although they call their leaders by traditional titles, such as White Paper Fan and Red Pole, they dominate many of the rough-and-tumble criminal businesses in modern Hong Kong.

    Hong Kong's 15 or so active triad gangs have an estimated 20,000 members in the colony, where they have a virtual monopoly on extortion rackets, collecting payoffs from small newsstands and huge construction companies alike. Most Powerful Gangs

    Their power has even attracted the attention of China's leaders. Four years ago, around the time Britain agreed to the 1997 transfer, the Chinese leader, Deng Xiaoping, observed, ''Illegal gangs in Hong Kong are very powerful, perhaps much more powerful than their counterparts in any other place.'

    The gangs can be crude and brutal. Last July a triad hit man wielding a meat cleaver hacked a Hong Kong businessman to death in a tennis court parking lot in front of stunned women and children. Days earlier, police said, the man had been sent the severed head of a black dog as a warning.

    Last week, in what police believe was a revenge killing, a young Chinese hairdresser having a snack in a convenience store was attacked by seven triad gang members using barbecue forks and broken bottles. The police said when they arrived the forks were still imbedded in the victim's face and body.

    Triads can also be sophisticated and businesslike: the police say white-collar enterprises sometimes insure their own safety by employing several triad members in their public-relations departments. Control of Bus Routes

    Along with interests in loan sharking, illegal drug sales, pornography and prostitution, triads have virtually taken over the home-contracting business here and even control which buses are allowed to operate along some of Hong Kong's busiest streets, according to a report on the gangs.

    It is not difficult to discern the triad touch in certain crimes, said Brian Merritt, chief staff officer of the police organized and serious crime group.

    ''If a restaurant owner won't pay up the first time he is asked,'' he said, ''the next day the triad will come back at his busiest hour, and 50 triad thugs will spread out and take up all his tables. If nightclubs don't pay, they like to toss live snakes on the dance floor.''

    Triad gangs control many of the colony's popular martial arts schools, provide most of the bouncers for nightclubs and many of the extras in Hong Kong kung fu movies, the police said. 'Kung Fu Stars Are Straight'

    ''The big kung fu stars here are straight,'' said Mr. Merritt, ''but a lot of the extras are triad members. They are the ones who practice martial arts in big numbers.''

    Dennis Collins, chief superintendent of the Royal Hong Kong Police, said triads work through a variety of methods, ''sometimes by establishing near-monopolies in legitimate businesses, other times setting up illegal gambling, loan sharking and the like.''

    Some triads here, he said, have ''business relationships'' with some members of Chinese gangs, called tongs, in the United States.

    ''But there is a big difference,'' Mr. Collins said. ''A tong may or may not be infiltrated by triad thugs. It may or may not be engaged in illegal activity. But a triad is by nature a criminal organization.'' Triads in U.S. Since 1840's

    Mr. Merritt said there have been triads in America ''since the 1840's, when large numbers of Chinese immigrants arrived. Some of the U.S. tongs are simply triad fronts.'' But the Hong Kong police have no estimate of how many triad members have left the territory.

    It is a crime in Hong Kong to be a member of a triad or even to claim to be a member. To charge someone, the police need only uncover triad flags or banners in an apartment or office. Mr. Collins said a case can even be made if the police find triad poems - grandiloquent works about eternity, fidelity and brotherhood that begin with phrases such as, ''In the beginning of time an oath was sworn beneath the peach tree.''

    Mr. Yan, the former triad member, said young people are sometimes coerced into joining by older triad members.

    ''But like many others I wanted to join,'' he said. ''You needed them because of all the fights and even to go to parties. Also, I wanted to find out all the secrets.''

    After years of stealing, collecting protection money and selling drugs for his triad, he drifted away and later became a born-again Christian. Gangs in Canada, Britain

    In Canada a major 1988 crime report put triads at the top of the list of the most dangerous organized crime groups in the country, along with the Mafia. In Britain, police reportedly are debating lowering height requirements in order to recruit more Chinese officers to combat growing triad crime, and in the United States the Federal Bureau of Investigation routinely consults Hong Kong on triad matters, the police said.

    But Mr. Merritt and Mr. Collins deny that Hong Kong is exporting triads to other countries.

    ''Criminal activity in Hong Kong has been fairly stable for the past 10 years, and if triad gangs were relocating, surely we would see a drop in crime,'' Mr. Collins said. While conceding that some members may be going to other countries as legal or illegal emigrants, he insisted there is ''not this mass movement that has other countries so nervous.'' Fought Against Communists

    In the modern struggle for control of China, triads fought the Communists as hired thugs of the Kuomintang, fleeing to Hong Kong or Taiwan when the Communists won, Mr. Collins said. That historic enmity has fueled the rumors that triads will leave Hong Kong before 1997, he added.

    In the meantime, Hong Kong has begun yet another push to break the hold of triads here, distributing ''anti-triad'' information kits to schools, filling the streets with anti-triad posters and the air waves with anti-triad commercials.

    The government has launched its own version of an anti-triad ceremony, a tribunal where the disaffected can go and secretly renounce their triad membership.

    Fear of triads is so great that for several months the government reportedly could not find anyone willing to lease space for the tribunal's offices, and a spokesman said it now plans to locate the group in one of its own buildings.

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    Its quite possible that organisations this old will have their own martial styles and techniques. No doubt having special signals to recognise each other similar to the Masons.

    I remember reading ages ago on the internet after being a little side tracked from research, about the Triads. It was how HSBC is owned by the triads.

    The original bank Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation was created to finance British trade in the far east in 1865.

    It argued that this would have been impossible without the cooperation of the Triads who had influence over the countries assets. They owned businesses, banks and had many government officials in their pocket.

    So for Britain to trade successfully it had to cooperate with the Triads. This meant they were given a stake in Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation. This allowed the British to trade freely and also gave them access to otherwise closed markets.

    This would make sense as a centuries old organisation would not be expected to operate on the same level of street thuggery that it began its life in.

    If you look at HSBC's history it is one of acquisition. It grows through buying other companies aggressively. If those influences that created Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation still exist, they would be operating in a similar manner.

    Notice the hexagon logo. It was created from the original Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation flag. Could it be a triad sign?

    Whether I not this account is true, I simply do not know. But it made for some interesting reading.

    What I am sure is that the Triads are not restricted to street crime, neither are the mafia. They get smart, rich and get into the financial markets. This has been proven.
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    Interesting info I'm really interested in this subject because these street punks may be the last link to REAL Gung Fu...suppossedly my stepdad's teacher was teaching bikers in montreal in the 70's, and their is a bunch of stories of him using his martial arts, and his Hop Gar teacher has a similar background...

    Htowndragon mentioned this...

    "ng was 14K triad, one of the original members, #2 man, known as the dragon prince, he was the bodyguard of the dai lo.

    he messed up a karate guy once, lost in a leitai match in taiwan because of fatigue but still made his opponents face swell all over, etc. i heard some gang-related stories too, he always carried a gun on him."


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    diego,

    Interesting reading. Master Ming was known as Master Harry Ng here.

    From what I could remember, it was common knowledge that Master Ng had a small school on Powell street where he trained the Chinese Mafia soldiers late at nite. The style that he taught was Hop Gar which has always been associated with the Chinese mafia. In the past, if you mention that you learned Hop Gar, you were a thought as a ganster and regarded as a dangerous person who should not to be associated with.

    It was very common in the old days for the Chinese Mafia to hire kung fu masters such as Master Ng, put up a front kung fu school, and have them train their youth gang members known as soldiers.

    Master Ng's death was an effort by the Chinese mafia to stop an uprising of their soldiers and gave the excuse that Master Ng could not control his students, i.e., the trained gang soldiers. Originally the soldiers were given an assignment but were unable to complete it but still demanded payment of $2,000 from the mafia for an unsucessfully job performed. If the Chinese mafia did not pay, the soldiers threaten to expose their gambling houses and prositution houses.

    As a result of the threat, the mafia hired a 15 year old kid and was assigned to shoot Master Ng who took four slugs (22-cal.), one in each knee and two in the chest. This sent a loud message to the soldiers-back off or your going to be next.

    Anyway, my knowledge seems to be in line with David Chin's accounts but I really can not verify if it is true.

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    Slighty OT

    This isn't a stated explicitly as triad gang, but it is a martial arts gang. It may still be a triad.

    Houses razed in East Timor mob rampage
    (AFP) – 5 hours ago

    DILI — Angry mobs of martial arts gang members set fire to dozens of homes Monday as they rampaged through an East Timorese town after one of their number was killed in a stabbing, police said.

    More than 100 houses as well as vehicles caught fire in the unrest in Zumalai, on East Timor's southern coast, a police officer told AFP on condition of anonymity.

    He said the violence was "triggered" by the stabbing of a gang member, who was also a police intelligence agent, in the town on Sunday.

    "Three people are now in police custody. The security condition there is now under control," the police source said.

    A military source who also refused to be identified confirmed the circumstances of the unrest.

    Martial arts gangs are common in East Timor, a tiny half-island state which achieved independence from Indonesia in 2002 following a bloody referendum.

    United Nations police returned full control of East Timor to the national force in March, more than four years after clashes between rival factions of the security forces threatened to push the country into civil war.

    The UN will maintain a presence of up to 1,280 police to support local police until after a presidential election in 2012, when the UN peacekeeping mission plans to withdraw from the southeast Asian state.
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    Its quite possible that organisations this old will have their own martial styles and techniques. No doubt having special signals to recognise each other similar to the Masons.
    There was and still is a major Triad set up in Fut San. There, styles like Wing Chun, Hung Gar, and Hung Sing choy lee fut were members of the triads. and, yes indeed, there are secret signals found within the gung fu material.

    Notice the hexagon logo. It was created from the original Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation flag. Could it be a triad sign?
    Rhomboid, Triangle, square,Parallelogram, and a circle are the shapes used by them. after looking at their logo i see a lot of triangles in it. so its a possibility that their logo has some triad roots in it.
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    Lots of triangles in Wing Chun

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASTERforge View Post
    Its quite possible that organisations this old will have their own martial styles and techniques. No doubt having special signals to recognise each other similar to the Masons.

    I remember reading ages ago on the internet after being a little side tracked from research, about the Triads. It was how HSBC is owned by the triads.

    The original bank Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation was created to finance British trade in the far east in 1865.

    It argued that this would have been impossible without the cooperation of the Triads who had influence over the countries assets. They owned businesses, banks and had many government officials in their pocket.

    So for Britain to trade successfully it had to cooperate with the Triads. This meant they were given a stake in Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation. This allowed the British to trade freely and also gave them access to otherwise closed markets.

    This would make sense as a centuries old organisation would not be expected to operate on the same level of street thuggery that it began its life in.

    If you look at HSBC's history it is one of acquisition. It grows through buying other companies aggressively. If those influences that created Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation still exist, they would be operating in a similar manner.

    Notice the hexagon logo. It was created from the original Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation flag. Could it be a triad sign?

    Whether I not this account is true, I simply do not know. But it made for some interesting reading.

    What I am sure is that the Triads are not restricted to street crime, neither are the mafia. They get smart, rich and get into the financial markets. This has been proven.
    I would say that it is quite possible that the British did make a deal with the Triads to "lubricate" their way into Hong Kong's business ins and outs. Of course, one must also remember that the British were trading drugs in that part of the world through the East India Company and it is said that the Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation was used to launder the profits from the British drugs trade (some say that this is still happening today, as the British still trade in drugs through their intelligence agencies - MI6/MI5, just like the US does, through the CIA):

    "After the second Opium War which ended in 1860, the British merchant banks and trading companies established the Hong Kong and Shanghai Corporation as the central bank of the Far East drug industry. According to all research I have read about the drug network, the Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank, with its global connections, continues to be a financial centre for the drug industry to this day. 10

    "The Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank now calls itself HSBC Holdings since China regained Hong Kong and HSBC owns one of the four British clearing banks, the Midland. This had a long advertising campaign calling itself the “listening bank” and the “bank that likes to say yes”. I don’t remember it mentioning the number of times its owners have said “yes” to laundering the profits of the drug industry which is destroying the lives of so many" - David Icke from his book, The Biggest Secret.



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    A funny thing is that I have noticed that either some schools are very patriotic as you see in their school, celebrating or praising the armed forces or they are actively involved in the organized crime.

    I suspect that during those periods end of 1800s until 1949, martial artists were one way or the other heavily involved and we know many well known masters were the chief of militias, military stations and trained several armed groups.

    Also, people don't mention the butcher of the organized crime during those times: Du Yuesheng, Big-Eared Du who was highly respected until his last days in Hong Kong. I wouldn't be surprised that many schools had the blessings of the big boss. May be we need to find more about the alliegances of schools in the organized crime.

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    Also, people don't mention the butcher of the organized crime during those times: Du Yuesheng, Big-Eared Du who was highly respected until his last days in Hong Kong. I wouldn't be surprised that many schools had the blessings of the big boss. May be we need to find more about the alliegances of schools in the organized crime.
    hmmm. i've never heard of a gung fu connection to the Ching P'ang. Hung Mun, yes, but nothing so far on gung fu schools involved with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    hmmm. i've never heard of a gung fu connection to the Ching P'ang. Hung Mun, yes, but nothing so far on gung fu schools involved with them.
    There was/is a very strong connection with Qing Bang, especially with Jingwu in Shanghai. Luo Guangyu and many of Qixing Tanglang family were Qing Bang. Also many Shandong, Jiangsu and Shanghai masters who went to Taiwan. Some masters positions in official genealogies are technically not correct but are shown that way because they were higher ranked in Qing Bang and therefore could not be ranked lower than their subordinates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    hmmm. i've never heard of a gung fu connection to the Ching P'ang. Hung Mun, yes, but nothing so far on gung fu schools involved with them.
    Wasn't Du Yue-Sheng known to practice like some white leopard or white panther style kung fu?
    I was on the metro earlier, deep in meditation, when a ruffian came over and started causing trouble. He started pushing me with his bag, steadily increasing the force until it became very annoying. When I turned to him, before I could ask him to stop, he immediately started hurling abuse like a scoundrel. I performed a basic chin na - carotid artery strike combination and sent him to sleep. The rest of my journey was very peaceful, and passersby hailed me as a hero - Warrior Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardwork108 View Post
    David Icke from his book, The Biggest Secret.
    Quoting David Icke eliminates credibility.

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    Quoting David Icke eliminates credibility.
    I agree. these guys are a little tripping. i remember they tried to say the illuminati are at war with the hung mun because the former was going to kill off the entire asian race. buncha kooks.
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    There was/is a very strong connection with Qing Bang, especially with Jingwu in Shanghai. Luo Guangyu and many of Qixing Tanglang family were Qing Bang. Also many Shandong, Jiangsu and Shanghai masters who went to Taiwan. Some masters positions in official genealogies are technically not correct but are shown that way because they were higher ranked in Qing Bang and therefore could not be ranked lower than their subordinates.
    ahhhh very interesting. i'd figured some northern schools might be involved but had no idea who would be. thanks for that info.

    The Qing Bang used to be called the Qing Mun until Hung Mun was created. Qing Mun was in its third generation at the time but after a meeting with the five ancestors the Qing Mun changed to the Qing P'ang. So, i would say that Hung Mun also has some root in the Qing Mun/P'ang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    I agree. these guys are a little tripping. i remember they tried to say the illuminati are at war with the hung mun because the former was going to kill off the entire asian race. buncha kooks.
    I have never seen David Icke associated with such claims.

    I believe, if we want a better world then we need to open our minds a little more. Not by reading the work of researchers such as Icke, but also reading genuine history of the world we live in.

    We live in a world where people still believe that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, just because of mere fact that their psychopathic leaders told them so through a controlled media.

    The majority of Americans don't know that the Federal Reserve is a private banking cartel! In the "free" nation of the USA, no one knows who owns the Fed, and most politicians are silent as the lambs that they are.

    There are wars, revolution and slaugher happening all over the world, but no one sees the arms suppliers and the money trail and where it leads. People brush it off as "well, humans are like that, we like wars and killing each other".

    It is good to research outside of the controlled media that is imposed on us. Just saying....

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