What is the difference between Akido, and Chin Na?

[sanjuro_ronin]

EVERYTHING can be made practical, just practice it with "liveness" in realistic conditions with resisting partners.... the rub is that when you do a lot of the distinctly "aikido" looking stuff will disappear, it will start looking like wrestling and Judo....

Last time we had an Aikido thread, I mention how in post war Japan an American photographer with no training had said that Aikido looked ridiculous in front of Ueyshiba and his senior student, the senior student tried to fight the American. He couldn't pull off any of the standard aikido moves and ended up jumping on the American's back and choking him

You obviously don't recognize the advanced Aikido Move which translates to "oh crap that didn't work, let's revert to judo".

[lkfmdc]

You obviously don't recognize the advanced Aikido Move which translates to "oh crap that didn't work, let's revert to judo".

it must be related to the CMA move "oh crap that didn't work, let's revert to san da (kickboxing)"

[sanjuro_ronin]

it must be related to the CMA move "oh crap that didn't work, let's revert to san da (kickboxing)"

Ah, so you learned under GM ****youintroublenow also I see.

[lkfmdc]

Ah, so you learned under GM ****youintroublenow also I see.

I studied under master Hu FengDung and Sam DimGoy first

[sanjuro_ronin]

On a serious note, I had one bouncer with me that was Aikido, Yoshinkan and he handled himself quite well, so I went to his Dojo and after about 6 months was told that I would be happier somewhere else or with private lessons, as I was more interested in "fighting and not Budo".
The private lessons were great though, very rough and tumble.

[The Willow Sword]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4_3TdHBAvA (Aikido)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZutQkUk6J2U (Chin-na applications)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx3dCLKKR_M (More Chin na)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr5vQm_i09I (Bagua)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de0mKPySj8o (Bagua Apps first 15 seconds is what i am wanting you to look at)



now as to whether or not any of you deem these examples worthy of comparison i could care less. What i am trying to show with my points are the similarities and the basic common denominators of all these vids.

This is all i am going to post for now. I feel like i have made my points clear in all my posts on this thread. Hope this Helps RD's Alias

Peace,TWS

[sanjuro_ronin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4_3TdHBAvA (Aikido)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZutQkUk6J2U (Chin-na applications)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx3dCLKKR_M (More Chin na)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr5vQm_i09I (Bagua)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de0mKPySj8o (Bagua Apps first 15 seconds is what i am wanting you to look at)



now as to whether or not any of you deem these examples worthy of comparison i could care less. What i am trying to show with my points are the similarities and the basic common denominators of all these vids.

This is all i am going to post for now. I feel like i have my my points clear in all my posts on this thread. Hope this Helps RD's Alias

Peace,TWS

I think that circular systems will always look alot alike, simple because the body can only move a certain way.
Not sure if you can equate that in any other way in this case.

[ToraDojoNJ]

These videos are a result of an ongoing exchange between myself and some members of the kung fu community, who have been open minded enough to allow for such exchanges.

The techniques are from Shinriryu Goshinjutsu, although the terms and some of the explanations are in Cantonese or at least my best attempt to pronounce them.
In order for the kung fu students to better understand the principals. I tried present the material in a way that would show respect for kung fu while showing them joint locking concepts from a Japanese based art.

Any mistakes in pronunciation or interpretation of kung fu techniques is solely my responsibility, I did make an effort to understand kung fu as best I could with an
outsiders perspective.

www.youtube.com/user/ToraDojoNJ

[Mr Punch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4_3TdHBAvA (Aikido)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZutQkUk6J2U (Chin-na applications)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx3dCLKKR_M (More Chin na)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr5vQm_i09I (Bagua)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de0mKPySj8o (Bagua Apps first 15 seconds is what i am wanting you to look at)



now as to whether or not any of you deem these examples worthy of comparison i could care less. What i am trying to show with my points are the similarities and the basic common denominators of all these vids.

This is all i am going to post for now. I feel like i have made my points clear in all my posts on this thread. Hope this Helps RD's Alias

Peace,TWS

There's some similar-looking stuff. Except that I never realized there was anything even less unrealistic in locking applications than aikido. You've opened my eyes. Again, Ueshiba did not do any Chinese arts.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4_3TdHBAvA (Aikido)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZutQkUk6J2U (Chin-na applications)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx3dCLKKR_M (More Chin na)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr5vQm_i09I (Bagua)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de0mKPySj8o (Bagua Apps first 15 seconds is what i am wanting you to look at)



now as to whether or not any of you deem these examples worthy of comparison i could care less. What i am trying to show with my points are the similarities and the basic common denominators of all these vids.

This is all i am going to post for now. I feel like i have made my points clear in all my posts on this thread. Hope this Helps RD's Alias

Peace,TWS

Reply]
From what I can see, the Akido seems to be really wide, and grandiose. The Chin Na seems to be done closer in and controlls the arm and shoulder more. Thta is my poor attempt to explain the differences I am seeing anyway.

Comments anyone?

[Mr Punch]

Reply]
From what I can see, the Akido seems to be really wide, and grandiose. The Chin Na seems to be done closer in and controlls the arm and shoulder more. Thta is my poor attempt to explain the differences I am seeing anyway.

Comments anyone?

This is true for the most part, but people who practice more realistic aiki learn big and train small, same as CMA.

[Sekabin]

In my limited exposure to Aikido here in Japan (including Mr Punch), I can attest to the fact that most videos around are large circle fun to look at impressive twirly throws and falls, but Aiki when done on you in small circles hurts like b*ggery. It's certainly *not* about trying to not hurt your opponent.

[Shaolin Wookie]

I think the primary difference between the two is the style of pants they wear.

[ToraDojoNJ]

I think the primary difference between the two is the style of pants they wear.

LOL, yeah my wife still calls the hakama a dress. Thanks for calling them pants

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

One thing I am seeing is that Chin Na seems to like to use the locks to seize, controll and restrain. Akido seems to want to throw with them.