Lee Shing Wing Chun Family

[Snake and Crane]

Hi there again Lone Tiger 108,

Thanks for your reply. When you mentioned Ti Lung, he is my Sifu's most favourite younger kung fu brother.

To update our activities here, Sifu Lee Man Kit will be returning to Hong Kong to make connection with Chiu Van's son who went back to HK about 2 years ago. In fact Chiu Van's whole family is in Canada.

If there is any future personal correspondance with me, please email me at:

kwongkungfu@gmail.com

Keep in touch and I have no hessitation in any queries you would send to me.

Alan

[LoneTiger108]

Thanks for your reply. When you mentioned Ti Lung, he is my Sifu's most favourite younger kung fu brother.

I also should have mentioned Lee Hoi Suen!!! As he was with Ti Lung at the opening and they were so friendly (well, to us they were lol!) It is also crazy that Jiu Wans family is in Canada, as this was the final destination of Lee Shing and his family are still there, somewhere!

Looks like my annual 'China Trip' may soon become a 'Canada Trip' eh! I was always under the impression that certain knowledge had already left the Motherland...

[LoneTiger108]

Due to Lee Shing being virtually unheard of in the USA, I would like to add these links to websites promoting this family of Wing Chun:

http://www.junmo.co.uk/index.php?opt...d=30&Itemid=45
http://www.josephleewingchun.com/
http://www.austingoh.com/

There is now a Facebook Group of Lee Shing Wing Chun students!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5646373803

If anybody knows of any more sites or resources (other than the wcarchive) that present this family of Wing Chun, I would be grateful if you add them to this thread.

[Vajramusti]

Lee Sing's wc may not be as unknown as you seem to think. Alan Lamb- one of the first if not the first Brit. sifu- learned from Lee Sing, and Joseph Cheng- as well as from Paul Lam, Koo Sang and others. Alan Lamb moved to the US many years ago- first to NY and later to California.
Your devotion to your version of the art is understandable.

I have evolved in one of the major IpMan lines- but not using the rings does not mean there is a flaw in what we do.Similarly, no problem if you see some benefit in the ring. Thanks for sharing your views ina mostly civil discussion.

Joy Chaudhuri

[LoneTiger108]

Lee Sing's wc may not be as unknown as you seem to think. Alan Lamb- one of the first if not the first Brit. sifu- learned from Lee Sing, and Joseph Cheng- as well as from Paul Lam, Koo Sang and others. Alan Lamb moved to the US many years ago- first to NY and later to California.
Your devotion to your version of the art is understandable.

I have evolved in one of the major IpMan lines- but not using the rings does not mean there is a flaw in what we do.Similarly, no problem if you see some benefit in the ring. Thanks for sharing your views ina mostly civil discussion.

Joy Chaudhuri

Thank you for the kind words. I was waiting for someone to tell me about Alan, as I 'think' I met him once at the Senishow here in the UK! He's not the only one in the USA either, as a Sihing has recently informed me that he is now in California. Small World really.

No intention to imply any 'flaws' really, on any side of the argument, just an honest query as this was a very special piece of equipment for me. Even my seniors had never even 'seen' it practised, but this may be more due to lack of funds to design/produce a quality ring. Even I started with some mad bendy bamboo, before we found a Rattan specialist lol!

Alan Lamb may have been the first Sifu 'recognised' by Joseph Cheng, but definately not the only western student under Lee Shing. Even Sifu Dave Lea (aka Batman!) was trained by Lee Shing for a while. Most just 'passed through', very few teach today and the few that do will definately remember a significant difference in families...

http://www.alanlambwingchun.com/

[MrBump]

Hi guys - really interesting thread.

I've had an interest in Lee Shing for years, all the time that I've been involved in Wing Chun in the UK. I believe that what I know comes from Lee Shing, given that Simon Lau is a part of my lineage.

Does anyone know what the relationship was between Simon Lau and Lee Shing? I don't know Simon Lau, but I believe that he may have studied with Lee Shing, and also with Ip Man in Hong Kong. Can anyone clarify this?

Thanks in advance.

Mark.

[Vajramusti]

Using standard definition of "studied", I doubt that Simon Lau studied with Ip Man.

Joy Chaudhuri

[MrBump]

Any particular reason for that assertion?

Mark.

[LoneTiger108]

Does anyone know what the relationship was between Simon Lau and Lee Shing? I don't know Simon Lau, but I believe that he may have studied with Lee Shing, and also with Ip Man in Hong Kong. Can anyone clarify this?

Thanks in advance.

Mark.

Hey Mark! Thanks for the comments about the thread, I do try and keep things on subject and fortunately just the 'title' of this one deters many known trolls lol! Many people seem to dislike the term 'family', but I can only hope this is a small minority.

In answer to your question, yes Simon Lau knew Lee Shing and was associated with the Ip Man Martial Arts Athletic Association but I don't think that he was actually 'taught' by any of them. I can confirm this by discussion with some of the elders I know, but I think I'm right here. Having a 'Sifu' was a pretty big thing for anyone back then, and I believe Sifu Lau was connected to another source in Foshan from childhood. Similar look in all honesty to Lee Shing family, but most internet info will align Sifu Lau to learning from monks.

Looking online also gives doesn't me any information that matches what was online a year ago as he has 'named' his Sifu on previous sites. Now, on the wcarchive he is listed as Ip Man/Lee Shing, so make from that what you wish.

Some of my Sihings were his students a long time ago, and when we entered the Lee Shing family they were accepted because of his connection to Sifu Lau, so he is obviously held in high regard.

I hope this helps in some way, but I'm sure others may know more... I do have one question:

I believe that what I know comes from Lee Shing, given that Simon Lau is a part of my lineage.

What is your 'Hoi Sik' (Opening Set)? This would normally identify anyone connected to Lee Shing Family...

[Vajramusti]

Any particular reason for that assertion?
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Lack of evidence. Unless other evidence appears.

joy chaudhuri

[MrBump]

That's great, thanks for the info.

As for opening set, do you mean SLT? It's very much in the Ip Man vein, although the initial Chi Kung movements terminate in a tarn sau, which doesn't seem to be present in the Ip Man lineage.

Do you recall what sifu Simon Lau named?

Cheers.

Mark.

[LoneTiger108]

No I'm not referring to your Siu Lim Tao (although if you were a Lee Shing student our Hoi Sik is 'attached' to the beginning)

What I'm asking is simple. Do you start all forms with a 'cross-arm'? If so, this is Ip Man 'branch'. Lee Shing had his own 'salutation'.

As for Sifu Laus teachers name, I don't want to get it wrong so I'll ask a few people first. You may find it on his newly designed website:

http://www.simonlaucentre.co.uk/

[MrBump]

OK, I get you.

Yes, very much the "crossed over arms" at the start of our forms.

Thanks for your insight.

Mark.

[tjwingchun]

Using standard definition of "studied", I doubt that Simon Lau studied with Ip Man.

Joy Chaudhuri

From what I have been told Simon Lau claims to have trained with Yip Man alongside Bruce Lee, (he still tries to get away with this Yip Man connection today), this comes from his self promotion in the 70's and early 80's, the period when Bruce Lee was actually studying with Yip Man is well before the time Simon states he began his Wing Chun.

I have been told by several of his early students he regularly made these claims, of course back in the early days who was there around to deny him, much in the same way William Cheung and Leung Ting made claims that they were the only true source of Yip Man Wing Chun, only after he died of course.

The past is for the historians to sort out and document, I prefer looking and defining Wing Chun as a science and leave the heritage arguments and 'who taught who' in the politics and ego pile.

Though saying that my Wing Chun 'family' are important to me, but only in how I can help them, not by trying to feed off them.

As far as Simon's Lee Shing connection, that was where he met my Sifu who was also a student at the same time. This was around the time when Joseph Cheng who was the main student and Eddie Yeoh, Austin Goh and Nigel Fan were training.

[MrBump]

Thanks - again, all very useful.

But I still want to know what he learned and from where...