Forms or Not Forms

[TenTigers]

that's bull****. The old timers didn't teach for money, but to turn out strong students. so they had no need to string their students along. Some say they held back so they always had something up their sleeve in case their student challenged them. Makes no sense either, as who would teach a student with such poor character? You need to separate fact from legends and hollywood.

[Sal Canzonieri]

So these old timers were probably 'kept below' their teachers...and their teachers were 'kept below' their teachers...and so on.

Apparently, 723 years or so ago, one Chinese guy was pretty @ss. Since then, no one has quite measured up.

Am I following you correctly?

Sometimes, ha hah.

Well, usually the linage holder or the generation head were taught everything or better. That's what they meant.

But, yeah I can see what you are saying, in some case, each generation will suck more the previous one.
If seen that happening some places, surely.

[TenTigers]

"Well, usually the linage holder or the generation head were taught everything or better. That's what they meant."
that is usually the case. Still happens today. I know of one Sifu that is still waiting for the golden child to walk through his doors. Meanwhile, he's not getting any younger, and he hasn't passed down his true art to anyone yet.

[Yao Sing]

I've seen and heard of some who are perfectly willing to take it to their grave with them.

[TenTigers]

Yao Sing-I agree, I have seen these too, which I don't really understand. Then why teach at all, if it isn't for love of the art?

[Black Jack II]

Yao Sing-I agree, I have seen these too, which I don't really understand. Then why teach at all, if it isn't for love of the art?

Easy answer.

EGO.

[banditshaw]

or....... could this be the ''classical mess'' that B.Lee meant?

sounds like it.

[unkokusai]

It's not meant to sound arrogant, .

Then you failed.

[Sal Canzonieri]

or....... could this be the ''classical mess'' that B.Lee meant?

sounds like it.

Bruce Lee was always talking about karate type schools when saying this, and the schools he challenged were such schools

[Sal Canzonieri]

Yao Sing-I agree, I have seen these too, which I don't really understand. Then why teach at all, if it isn't for love of the art?

That's why they are willing to die with it.

[Sal Canzonieri]

Then you failed.

oh, boo hoo.