OT: Creationism--a myth or retardation?

[Shaolin Wookie]

I think it's retardation.


Your thoughts?

[SPJ]

creation is necessary.

like from hydrogen and oxygen and boom you have H2O or water.

boy and girl together you have a baby.

etc etc.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I think evolution is the tool of the great creator.

I also think the Giant Flying Spaghetti Monster is that creator.

RAmen!!!

[Shaolin Wookie]

I think evolution is the tool of the great creator.

I also think the Giant Flying Spaghetti Monster is that creator.

RAmen!!!

I have been touched by his noodly appendage, and that's partially the reason I'm kind of short.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

You need to Dawn your Pirate Regalia and worship his Noodlieness, asking for height. Your wish will be granted!

[Shaolin Wookie]

I do, and when I practice martial arts, I only use a sai, because it is equally useful as a spaghetti twirling fork.

All hail the FSM!! Arrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!!

[Shaolin Wookie]

creation is necessary.

like from hydrogen and oxygen and boom you have H2O or water.

boy and girl together you have a baby.

etc etc.

It's not creation---it's synthesis.

[SPJ]

It's not creation---it's synthesis.

I dodge the bullet of the core of debate.

1. something must come from something else?

2. something may come from nothing?

DNA are nucleic acids.

ok where N and O from?

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[Shaolin Wookie]

I dodge the bullet of the core of debate.

1. something must come from something else?

2. something may come from nothing?

DNA from nucleic acids.

ok where N and O from?

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1. Yes, although you might as well say that something which comes from something else also interacts with the cause in such a way that the cause itself is changed because of that interaction; so then the cause is changed because of the effect's effect on the cause. It's really a synthetic process. Like when you make a PBJ sandwich. Sometimes you'll get a little jelly in the peanut butter canister, and some PB in the jelly jar.

2. No. Something cannot come from nothing. There is a certain amount of matter/energy in the world--perhaps infinite, perhaps finite. We cannot create or destroy matter/energy. There is always an interaction, perhaps a flux or decrease in one thing, but that reaction will cause the proper flux or decrease in something else.

[BlueTravesty]

Personally, I straddle the fence between the two. The closest I get to a clearly cataloged position is the concept of theistic evolution, which despite the moniker, is still a form of creationism.

Reading all this discussion is making me somewhat thirsty though. I'm going to enjoy some perfectly naturally occurring orange juice that was coaxed out of its rind and the flesh of the orange by natural phenomena. Of course, the juice came to my fridge without intervention by some supposed "guy in at an orange juice factory." I will explain how while keeping with the principles of Occam's Razor.

You see, hundreds of days ago, there was an orange, but over a period of time, pressure built up as the citrus became overripe and burst forth in a shower of pulp, seeds, rind and vitamin C-laden nectar.

The explosion shattered some tree the orange was growing on, and along with the ambient moisture, the shattered wood combined to make a sturdy paper-bond which encased the orange juice, and due to highly specific climate conditions, as well as, uhhh... gravity it formed a rectangular shape with a triangular peak, which astoundingly enough can be opened by pulling naturally-occurring flaps at the top. This rare seedless, pulp less specimen was discovered by archaeologists from the Tropicana company several weeks ago, who donated it to the Wal-Mart Museum, where I purchased this artifact for my own study. My findings so far have been good, though I am thinking of studying a specimen with a little bit of the pulp.

I would prove how the bouyancy of petroleum, a lightning-bolt and a conveniently-shaped nearby rock led to the evolution of the plastic cup I am drinking it from, but that would take far longer than I wish to invest in this post.

So let's abandon this talk of a supposed "grove" and "peoples picking fruit" and "machines." The simplest explanation, which I have outlined, is most likely correct. The evidence is there, if only you look for it. <./tongue-in-cheekness>

[SimonM]

I dodge the bullet of the core of debate.

1. something must come from something else?

2. something may come from nothing?

DNA are nucleic acids.

ok where N and O from?

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Ultimately H.

But you're the one derailing the thread. The thread is about creationism - the belief that all organisms were created in-situ by an omnipotent deity, not the cosmological question of what came first.

[SimonM]

Wow... just read the dates on the first page of the thread.

Necrothread deluxe.

[doug maverick]

I think it's retardation.


Your thoughts?

if this is OT...it should be in OT...thats what its there for..to get rid of the nonsense threads..

[Lucas]

You are probably right, but Hoodoo is also a commonly used term to refer to certain types of African folk magic, spirtual and medicinal healing, and hexing. the primary tools are herbs and other other natural resources such as bones and minerals. specific traditions of sorcerers, geomancers, priests etc. throughout west Africa are the masters of 'hoodoo'