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  1. #61
    DragonzRage Guest
    Hell, Christianity and Buddhism means something different to lots of the practitioners of these religions. Does that mean that the label of Christianity or Buddhism don't mean anything? No it just shows that people have different ways of thought and of expressing themselves. What unites them are the common roots and the base ideals that they all agree on, no matter what denomination they are from. Perhaps the entire JKD community is not completely united in their ideas, but if you get the all highest seniors and authorities of JKD in one room, I can for **** sure guarantee you that there will be some basic ideas that they will indeed agree on.

    By the way, if you don't consider gearing up and sparring "realistic" then I guess you don't consider getting knocked out realistic. I'd really like to hear how you go about doign things "realistically". If you're gonna tell me that you do traditional karate type play sparring I have three words for you: HA...HA...HA. And as for "going all out", man i think you know what he means. Cut the crap and stop playing word games.

  2. #62
    rogue Guest

    I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see it.

    Is bareknuckle sparring (50% to 80% force depending upon rank and experience) realistic enough? Are broken ribs(lots of those), broken hands (mostly from hitting something hard like a guys head, sans headgear, without gloves), dislocated elbows, guys throwing up after getting kicked in the gut, a concussion, a dislocated jaw and yeah, getting knocked out, not to mention the bumps and bruises from landing upon a hardwood floor if you get swept or thrown, good enough for you? Done every class and not once a week or month on a nice mat, real enough?

    Guess what, I know it isn't a real situation. Because I know that while we may get "lost in the dance" and do damage to each other, it's still not a street fight. That the fight will end and help given to those that need it.

    And one thing I'm laughing at is a JKD guy telling me not to play word games, because the BS the average JKD student runs around spouting is what help turn me off to it in the first place.

    I do believe that Inosanto, Vu ( I learned under one of his direct students for a while, very good instructor), Hartsell( grappling before it was cool) and the others you mentioned as knowing what it is. My pokes are at the ones who are clueless and illogical in their definition of JKD. Those who mimick Guro Dan without understanding the mastery the man acheives.

    And I'll be honest, I don't know what JKD really is either. I've seen it used as a pure "marketing phrase", a set of concepts, a set of skills called concepts which means that they aren't really concepts, and a martial art unto itself (I'll use the definition of porn, "I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see it"). If any one can describe it, it would be Inosanto. He knew Lee, trained with Lee and was friends with Lee. But even then there would be those who would contradict him.

    The reason JKD is so hard to define is that if you define it as an art then it can't be a concept, but the concept of JKD, to me at least, is what really makes it unique.

    Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
    Louis L'Amour

  3. #63
    RAYNYSC Guest
    I'll say this Rogue, for the most part 4Ranges & DragonzRag kinda sumed up the way I feel about JKD....
    So with that being said I would like to thank everyone who has taking there time to reply to this post.....

    RAYNYSC

  4. #64
    rogue Guest
    Could you please give me the succinct version of it to me in a nutshell? ;)

    Also does that make the other definitions wrong?
    I thought Daedalus & dumog93 came closest to what JKD was to me, especially to quote dumog93, "it doesn't matter what styles you get things from as long as they don't own you". I like that one alot.

    Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
    Louis L'Amour

    [This message was edited by rogue on 05-11-01 at 08:45 PM.]

  5. #65
    RAYNYSC Guest

    In a nutshell....

    I'm no authority on this subject but I'll say this about JKD.... Very few people get it & even fewer understand it.... :D
    Now what makes the other definitions wrong?.... I couldn't really answer that one....

    As each of us in our own way may see & understand things differently.... :D

    It shouldn't be about who's right or who's wrong instead it should be more about what works for you the individual that counts....

    Remember it's the individual that gives life to the style,system or concept of fighting not the other way around....

    RAYNYSC

  6. #66
    Laine Nakachi Guest

    Jeet Kune Do Materials

    The Jeet Kune Do materials I'm reffering to are the JKD Video,the one the Late Bruce Lee narrarated himself.The video
    I've watched many times,mainly because it's interesting.
    It gives the whole idea as to how JKD did developed.It contains different
    aspect from different martial arts.Dan Inosanto and Larry Hartsell gives clear explanation about certain JKD techniques in general.And the last but not least,the
    man himself,Bruce Lee.Giving his students
    personal instructions on JKD.

    The JKD book is another material written by the man himself.Including his own theories and concepts of combat.Bruce Lee
    was the kind of man that,did his own research as how to improve his own system
    of martial arts.Eversince his battle with Wong Jack Man.He was in determination to improve his own martial arts system.

    The video you can order it, through I & I
    sports.And the book you can buy it at any books store.

    Today alot of people had gone in their own way of JKD.And the people who studied with the late Bruce Lee themself had also gone their own way with JKD.To me I think that the real JKD had died with the late Bruce
    Lee himself.Unless you negotiate with Dan Inosanto about having him really teaching you what bruce had taught him.But other than that,he's probably going to teach you his way of JKD.

    Sil Lum Kuen



  7. #67
    Daedalus Guest

    I agree,..to a point.

    I think that Bruce Lee's JKD(Jun Fan Gung Fu) died with him, but the JKD concept is universal.

    As for learning the original art from Inosanto,..what would be the point? I think it would be taking a step backwards. JKD is far more advanced now.

  8. #68
    DaiKaiju Guest

    Okkkkkkkkkkkk

    So raynysc, Explain to me why Rogue years of studing Goju-Ryu and mastering its system to his benefit would not be considered his own version of JKD?
    Isn't the main goal of JKD is finding what works for the specific person?
    If Rogue found that Goju-Ryu, Tae Kwan Do, or even Shotokan Karate, worked for him and he was comfortable with it, wouldn't that classify as his own personal JKD?
    :rolleyes:

    That which does not kill you will only make you stronger, and if does kill you, then you sucked to begin with!!

  9. #69
    RAYNYSC Guest

    What?....

    Hey DaiKaiju,
    As far as saying If Rogue or anyone for that matter found that Goju-Ryu,Tae Kwan Do or even Shotokan Karate,worked for him & he was comfortable with it,wouldn't that classify as his own personal JKD?.... I would have to say No it wouldn't!.... But then again if what you're doing works for you. You can call it what ever you want!....
    But that still doesn't make it JKD does it?

    RAYNYSC

    [This message was edited by RAYNYSC on 05-23-01 at 08:35 PM.]

  10. #70
    rogue Guest
    Why not?

    Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
    Louis L'Amour

  11. #71
    S.Teebas Guest
    The thing about JKD is.... it's going to die/disapear/vanish..etc...
    AS DragonRagez said "If you get the seniors in a room they will agree"

    But that seems to be about it. JKD was good in it's day, but it was baised on a system by a man who had exposure to a lot of MA's...all these new JKD instructors arn't bruce lee! I think if you learnt under the man, you would be a pretty good fighter. but lets face it, he's gone and so is his intrepetations, all the great systems evolved over ATLEAST the founders life time. If Bruce live till he was 70 the JKD system would be very different to what you see today. Everyone agrees that he was constantly evolving... bruce may have reached his PHYSICAL peak when he was alive but i highly doubt he reached his mental peak... the level of understanding somone alot older would reach (or an older version of himeself atleast).

    It seem that no-one can even agree on what JKD is, and when they do define it, they say the personal expression only applys to themselfes not traditional systems. Whats the go fellas?

  12. #72
    4 Ranges Guest

    Ridiculous!

    What do you mean by goju-ryu "working for him?" Nureyeve felt that ballet "worked for him." Does that make ballet is his own JKD??? RIDICULOUS!!

    JKD isn't about doing what "works for you": it's about what works in REALISTIC COMBAT! A realistic situation occurs in all ranges (weapons range, kicking range, punching, trapping, groundfighting) and mutates from single-opponent to multiple-opponent scenarios. Last I checked, goju-ryu doesn't do extensive groundfighting, extensive trapping, or extensive weapons. In fact, I have yet to see a legitimate goju-ryu practitioner even compete in a mixed-martial arts event! On the other hand, JKD practitioners Erik Paulson, Ron Balicki, and Yori Nakamura have (in fact, Nakamura and Paulson are champions in Japan).

    What do goju fighters do to prepare for realistic situations, anyway? Do they train against multiple opponents? Do they train against weapons? Do they do all of this in real time? Or do they concentrate on forms and dry-land swimming?

    In fact, we are so focused on realistic combat that, at our particular JKD school, to achieve our very first rank, we have to fight two senior students, simultaneously, in an all-out situation. You get knocked down, they jump you and kick the crap out of you. You get knocked out...you're just knocked out. We've had several students (grown men!!) lose their and cry right there, and leave in the middle of the test!! And that's just the FIRST test. As you move up, it's 3 on 1, 4 on 1, 5 on 1, 2 on 1 with weapons...no-holds barred. No ref to break you up and start you over. No point-sparring. No bowing. Harsh? Yes. Realistic? Absolutely. JKD? Without a doubt.

    Goju-ryu is Goju-ryu. If it "works for him" (i.e. he's happy with it), then that's great.

    But don't confuse it with JKD.

    Never confuse sparring with fighting. One is an exchange of skill; the other an exchange of blood.

  13. #73
    rogue Guest
    And what school is this that is so bad assed?

    Also I don't really do Goju, I do Isshinryu and TKD.

    Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
    Louis L'Amour

    [This message was edited by rogue on 05-24-01 at 02:41 PM.]

  14. #74
    DaiKaiju Guest

    LOL

    First off, Raynysc, your response was the most singular unenlightening response I have ever heard. If I studied Goju-Ryu and saying I took elements from that style only and used it in a realistic situation and won, and won consistantly then why wouldn't this be considered my JKD?
    You people have commited the very sin that Bruce Lee himself warned you not to commit, You are all caught up with a name.
    It doesn't matter what the technique is, just as long as it works for the individual and not the masses.
    I agree with Rogue on this one, and Raynysc, you yourself say you are not a authority on JKD, so wouldn't it be presumpuous of you to say what is JKD and what is not?
    :rolleyes:

    That which does not kill you will only make you stronger, and if does kill you, then you sucked to begin with!!

  15. #75
    RAYNYSC Guest

    Check this out!....

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If I studied Goju-Ryu & saying I took elements from that style only and used it in a realistic situation and won, and won consistantly then why wouldn't this be considered my JKD? [/quote]

    Well for starters if you were studying Goju-Ryu & useing only elements from that style how can you call JKD?.... It's Goju-Ryu not JKD.
    But then again like I said before! If what you're doing works for you. You can call it whatever you want! But that still doesn't make it JKD does it?


    The way I see it....
    The art of Jeet Kune Do is about an individuals own process of growth no more no less!....

    What exactly is that process?.... Is for the individual to find out for himself....

    Who cares where it comes from if you can work it then work it! But don't call it JKD!.... Call it what it is Boxing,Fencing,Wing chun,Judo,Jujitsu,Bjj,Kali,Pentjak Silat,Goju-Ryu, Tae Kwan Do or Shotokan Karate....
    Like I said before very few people get & fewer understand it.... The bottom line is it shouldn't be about who is right or wrong instead it should be more about what works for you the individual that counts! ;)

    RAYNYSC

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