Ali As A Martiatl Artist

**mambi** · 10-27-2007, 05:03 PM

Any thoughts ?. Ali , for example , in the Martial Atrs? fearsome though (and forget about Anouki thats not the point) Do you even know realize the skills of this 220 lbs? Its always crossed my mind .Laddell ? forget it m. Action J ?not even in the same ring. The dude hAD THE SPEED AND AGILITY OF A 160 LBS WITH THE POWER OF >>>>>

**mambi** · 10-28-2007, 06:08 PM

No notions of who he was Huh..? Amazing no ones ever given any thought to this.To each...Maybe boxing is considered too primitive? Lee didnt! guess the thought is too scary. keep on dreamin little dreams folks.

**Takuan** · 10-28-2007, 06:15 PM

I like boxing, I just don't like not kicking is all.

**Lucas** · 10-29-2007, 11:09 AM

Ive always considered Western Boxing a form of Martial Art.

Ali definately was one of the greats, and a real crowd pleaser to boot.

The great thing about him was that he was just a naturally big guy, he didnt have to beef up to get heavy.

Probably why he was as agile as he was, he was just a natural, who IMO found his calling.

**sanjuro_ronin** · 10-29-2007, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by mambi

Any thoughts ?. Ali , for example , in the Martial Atrs? fearsome though (and forget about Anouki thats not the point) Do you even know realize the skills of this 220 lbs? Its always crossed my mind .Laddell ? forget it m. Action J ?not even in the same ring. The dude hAD THE SPEED AND AGILITY OF A 160 LBS WITH THE POWER OF >>>>>

Er...boxing is a MA and boxers are Martial artits, this is not a new view.
Boxing, wrestling, Kentucky mud slinging, are all MA

**Mook Jong** · 10-29-2007, 12:57 PM

I heard he had a sick ground game

**sanjuro_ronin** · 10-29-2007, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mook Jong

I heard he had a sick ground game

His anti-grapple was unique to say the least, just as Inoki !
LOL !

**lkfmdc** · 10-29-2007, 01:20 PM

Because people love the PERSON of Ali, because he has become a legend, and because of his great contributions to society (standing up againt the war, etc) people get angry when this is brought up, but since you asked

Ali's boxing had a lot of fundamental flaws. Flaws he made up for with natural speed and good strategy, but not always was that enough (Frazier broke his jaw in the first fight exactly due to one of his flaws, wrong head movement)

If you know the history of the Ali-Inoki debacle, you know how concerned Ali was when his trainers watched Inoki training for real with Karl Gotch (Lord rest his soul, RIP). The reason you saw such a bizarre match was because of the rules Ali asked for and got

In summary, Ali was a great man, made a great mark on boxing history, but had flaws as a boxer and would not have made a mark in MMA. Martial Artist? Yes, boxing is a martial art and if you include the moral aspects Ali had those as well, like I said, he was a great man

**GeneChing** · 10-29-2007, 01:42 PM

Check out Where Wushu Went Wrong: Wushu's Leading Champion, Zhao Changjun, Extols Traditional by me and Gigi Oh from our 2006 November/December. If you have the print mag version, there's even a pic on page 36.

**lkfmdc** · 10-29-2007, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by GeneChing

Check out Where Wushu Went Wrong: Wushu's Leading Champion, Zhao Changjun, Extols Traditional by me and Gigi Oh from our 2006 November/December. If you have the print mag version, there's even a pic on page 36.

A good article. I always laugh when they interview the "old timers" because they are so universally pro-fighting and pro-MMA

Interesting take on why contemporary wushu is not so popular

too bad they are mucking up the san da as well

**mickey** · 10-29-2007, 03:39 PM

Greetings,

If there was ANY interaction between Zhao and Ali, it would have been friendly: they are both Moslem brothers. Additionally, Zhao was just a little kid in that photo. Ali was there circa 1977.

mickey

**Black Jack II** · 10-29-2007, 04:19 PM

When Ali was not being a unabashed racist he was a great martial artist.

**Mr Punch** · 10-29-2007, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Black Jack II

When Ali was not being a unabashed racist...

I'm not sure he was. He sure hung out with a lot of people who were, but at the time there were a lot of naive hangers on, and I think he was one of them. He was clever and charismatic, but I never pegged him as shrewd.

**Mr Punch** · 10-29-2007, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by mambi

Any thoughts ?. Ali , for example , in the Martial Atrs? fearsome though (and forget about Anouki thats not the point) Do you even know realize the skills of this 220 lbs? Its always crossed my mind .Laddell ? forget it m. Action J ?not even in the same ring. The dude hAD THE SPEED AND AGILITY OF A 160 LBS WITH THE POWER OF >>>>>

Originally Posted by mambi

No notions of who he was Huh..? Amazing no ones ever given any thought to this.To each...Maybe boxing is considered too primitive? Lee didnt! guess the thought is too scary. keep on dreamin little dreams folks.

LOL at the OP having a fit cos nobody responded to his barely English post. FFS pal, if English isn't your first language, fine, but don't expect everybody to decipher your ramblings.

**Black Jack II** · 10-29-2007, 08:11 PM

Well, lets start off by saying Ali was human and as such is as guilty of making mistakes as the next guy, but I for one never fell in to his fanclub, personally he came across like a golem like douchebag whenever he opened his mouth.

The guy was a sexist, in specific to his Islamic dogma. He fathered a number of kids out of wedlock, one with a teenage girl. In 1975 or 1976 I believe he called for the lynching of interracial couples, he always seemed to be driving a spike between the races, plus he was a draft dodger.

This guy was no Joe Louis or Jackie Robinson.

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