OT - why are we at war?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Not if you are following tradition! Only if your training is live, and in the cage!

[Mas Judt]

Hmmm, maybe the engineers at Purdue or Northwestern might be a help - oh wait, the disproved the conspiracy bunk. So they must be secret agents, eh? oooh, so scary.

Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

Then ask yourself why a fuel truck burning on an Oakland bridge caused a bridge collapse. I know, **** Cheney secretly planted explosives first.

Then read the Popular Mechanics book - despite Kymus's CONJECTURE that it is 'yellow journalism' - it may prove illuminating to go through it point by point.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Not if you are following tradition! Only if your training is live, and in the cage!

LOL !!

So true !

[sanjuro_ronin]

Hmmm, maybe the engineers at Purdue or Northwestern might be a help - oh wait, the disproved the conspiracy bunk. So they must be secret agents, eh? oooh, so scary.

Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

Then ask yourself why a fuel truck burning on an Oakland bridge caused a bridge collapse. I know, **** Cheney secretly planted explosives first.

Then read the Popular Mechanics book - despite Kymus's CONJECTURE that it is 'yellow journalism' - it may prove illuminating to go through it point by point.

I don't follow any conspiracy theory, what ever they may be, my point to Rd was that the 400-500 F was way off.
Just that simple.
I deal with government, they couldn't pull off anythign more than a sticky booger from their sleeve, even then it would be quite a task.

[TaiChiBob]

Greetings..

We are at war to intervene in geo-political alliances that would act to the detriment of US ideologies. Those ideologies are funded and suppported by political money laundering organizations (AKA banking interests).

If anyone watched Glenn Beck interviewing Gary Casparov, a great truth was revealed.. Mr. Casparov indicated that Putin (Russia) has no interest in direct conflict with the US (Bush's "WW III" comment).. he indicated Putin's satisfaction that the US would deplete its resources, funds and good-will in so many minor incidents like Iraq/Iran/Korea..

Since WW II the US has steadily evidenced a lack of willingness to "complete the mission".. that is the reason we are at war.. the enemy smells weakness.. and we will be tested..

Be well..

[Mas Judt]

My point exactly.

It goes back to Sherlock Holmes - once you have the evidence, the simplest answer, no matter how improbable (Like 19 inbred islamists) is the logical solution.

[Mas Judt]

Which Taichibob, is why I say: www.RonPaul2008.com

[sanjuro_ronin]

My point exactly.

It goes back to Sherlock Holmes - once you have the evidence, the simplest answer, no matter how improbable (Like 19 inbred islamists) is the logical solution.

Pretty much, though I am sure there is much gray in this, it is still, at its core, the truth.

[SPJ]

TCB;

just want to say you have a cool avatar.

[SPJ]

war is a means and not an end.

some would say we are always in some sort of conflict.

peace is only a pause between the previous and the next conflict.

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I tend to look at the things in the other way.

peace is always achievable.

war is b/c we give up on peace.

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[OdderMensch]

Today, only five countries in the world are without a central bank: Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Cuba and Libya. All of these just happen to be on George Bush's "Evil of Axis" list. Coincidence?

Now I'm no Economist but The reason I've always believed in Capitalism over Communism is that in a Capitalistic world there is no need to control "Everything" (Ie all the money) so Capitalism should work fine with a minority of communistic neighbors.

Communism on the other hand must control everything (Ie all the money) in order to effectively distribute it equally (Each according to his needs) To a Capitalist, a Communist is a curiosity, to a Communist a Capitalist is a traitor who holds on to resources that other people might need.

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Shouldn't there be a mechanism whereby I can borrow money for a fee?

No, why would you need that? And the real issue is a fractional monetary system where money is created from nothing and is backed by nothing.

Because, in simplest terms I may not have enough salt to buy a cow. But If I had a cow, and my neighbor went out and made salt everyday, I might let him have the cow, and take bags of salt from him as he had them until he had given me enough salt for the cow. I ask for more salt than i would if he had enough salt on hand to trade, but i think it would be a fair thing for me to do. I get the salt I need, he gets the cow he needs, we both profit and we both lose, but we each give up something we could afford to give up, while getting something we needed in return.

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Say a mortgage where i buy a house and actually pay 1.5 times it's actual value, but in return I get to pay for it with someone else's money and I can take 25 years to pay it back with the interest.

Why are you buying anything with someone else's money? And if X amount of dollars are 'created' but you're required to repay it with interest then where does that interest come from?

Because this world is larger than neighbors with salt and cows! However let me stick with the metaphor. Lets say I can get 100lbs of salt for my cow in the market. My salt farming neighbor needs a cow and offers me a pound of salt a week for 100 weeks for me to give him a cow. Yes, I will get this salt in the future, but I have a pressing need for 100lbs of salt now! So we involve my other neighbor, the salt merchant, who has large salt reserves. My Neighbor promises him 150lbs of salt over three years and I get 100lbs of salt immediately. The interest comes from the time needed to farm the salt, more time more salt.

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Shouldn't I have a place that is safe and secure and where I can put my money AND have insurance that no matter what, my money will be there?

That's a fair service to offer but is it really necessary?

no its not necessary, but little is. We need a bit of air, some food, some sunshine, somewhere to go in a storm or to sleep. Society is created not because it is needed, but because it is wanted

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In short, while I think there are unscrupulous bankers to be sure and there are corporate banking decisions that put other peoples funds at risk, overall it is better to have banks than to not have them.

Sorry, I don't agree and don't see the positives as worth the negatives. Maybe you should read up on the words monetary system. It might change your mind.

I agree the money system is F'ed up to the Nth degree, but it is better to have one than not, better still is to admit its shortcomings and work to avoid them, instead of a fantasy where people give each other salt and cows out of nothing more than the goodness in our hearts.

Capitalism is the bare, honest, unvarnished truth of the world, enlightened self interest is more the backbone of human existence than love, family or friendship. All of these qualities exist only because we dragged ourselves far enough up the food chain to allow them to exist.

Please point out my ignorance wherever you see it, don't shy away from arguments! If you are more learned than me show me the errors.

[Mr Punch]

It goes back to Sherlock Holmes - once you have the evidence, the simplest answer, no matter how improbable (Like 19 inbred islamists) is the logical solution.

LOL, I'm nitpicking and way off thread, but I think William of Ockham would have had something to say about that had he not died about 500 years before Conan Doyle...!

[TaiChiBob]

Greetings..

Humble thanks, SPJ..

Capitalism is a self-defeating policy.. the rewards are subjectively distributed and it is fertile ground for corruption.. it does not account for the perceptions of those that have less vs. those that have more.. US capitalism is disguised corruption, it feeds on third world impoverished peoples while distancing itself from their issues.. Democratic Socialism has the most promise as a viable system but, as a civilization, we seem to be less evolved than the process requires.. the current evidence suggests we are only slightly better off than well-dressed animals.. but, it's a start...

We are at war because we cannot convince a majority of the planet's inhabitants that cooperation is more beneficial than conflict. That there are sufficient resources to balance everyone's need for a secure existence.. we are at war because some people believe they "deserve" more than others (capitalism)..

We are at war because some people's "imaginary sky-daddy" empowers them to impose their "sky-daddy's" demands on others.. Respect and co-existence are nice talking-points but there is littele evidence that people believe in those concepts.. the detailed nuances of banking and government manipulation are symptoms of dysfunctional belief systems.. it is the beliefs of people that drive everything else.. and, the primal drive for a secure existence..

Be well..

[golden arhat]

at base attachment leads to suffering

if u want to avoid war get everyone to stop giving a ****
and not get too attached
and to just live life

if no one cared and just got on with it no one would have to get all riled up

money
beliefs

etc

just be yourself by yourself
if people dont like it tell em to calm down and just carry on doing what ur doing as long as ur not hurting anyone else no one should care


that should be way more easier


everyone should just chill out

the world would be nicer then




i wish i could be like that :/

[TaiChiBob]

Greetings..

at base attachment leads to suffering

Not really, i am "attached" to improving my condition in Life.. i do not suffer from it, though.. It is when we let our desires define "who we are" that we degrade our perspective.. like, when we desire to win a competition, then when we don't we perceive ourselves as less for it.. "pain is inevitable, suffering is optional".. life is an opportunity, and if someone chooses to suffer, it serves them in some way..

Attachment can also lead to accomplishment..

Be well..