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    Talking MA & Religion?

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    AHAHAHA...
    So true, especially when you spar for the first time.
    "Don't Focus on the Fingers or You will miss all the Heavenly Glory!"

    Morbicid-"Maybe some moves are made just so that, if u somehow manage to pull them off in a fight, u get some serious bragging rights.

    Many famous fighters have done this (roy jones jr, chuck norris, Morbicid, etc)"

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    the worst one is when you've been sparring for about ten minutes already, and along comes some behemoth and you just think

    "balls"
    "If there is no grand plan; if there is no big picture; if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do."

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    Originally posted by Ikken Hisatsu
    the worst one is when you've been sparring for about ten minutes already, and along comes some behemoth and you just think

    "balls"
    NO, NO, NO.

    The worst is when you have to spar multiple opponents and you look at the queue waiting next to the mat-area and realise that the last one is YOUR Sifu and he is grinning with delight.

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    Question Religion and Martial Arts

    What do you think about mixing these together?

    Do you think it's OK to make students practice or least observe Buddhism in order to study at a particular school?

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    Smile Spiritual outlook

    Hi ED,

    Having a spiritual outlook is definitely a plus in martial arts. Martial sports really don't need to have a spiritual outlook although a martial sports person such as Ali has a powerful spiritual outlook that some would even think of him as a latter day prophet. Once upon a time in America, Ali has a beautiful mind. It is sad that he could not carry on his God's work today.

    Personally, I believe that spiritual outlook is the difference between a technician and a master of an art. BTW, there are 2 approaches to apply spirtiual outlook in MA. One route is through philosophical discipline (reasoning) while the other is mystical discipline (meditation).

    I tell stories about all religions although I use them main as parables. In a form such as 18 Luohan, I have at least 18 stories that I can tell just to help my students to graspe the imagaries. My favorite is the 5th road "Yasha (demon) probing the ocean". It could lead to many of the Chinese mythology which always draws their attention.

    I am of the opinion that if they understand my spiritual outlook they will have the benefit of understanding how I function. In that case, we will communicate much better. I have not intention of making spiritual duplicates of myself. So I don't require my students to take upon any spiritual outlook.

    A great topic there, my friend.

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    Religion is all about killing people who disagree with you.

    MA is all about how to kill people.

    It's a match made in Heaven! (pun intended)
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    lol
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    In all seriousness, that is a personal thing. If someone wants to mix the two then they should be allowed to. If they only wish to practice the martial aspects without religious aspects, then they should be allowed to do so. No one should be forced to practice any of the religious aspects of the CMA.
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    i agree...I don't think anyone should be forced to anything...but if you don't understand the spiritual roots of your art/s, just don't think you're really studying it

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    Originally posted by blooming lotus
    i agree...I don't think anyone should be forced to anything...but if you don't understand the spiritual roots of your art/s, just don't think you're really studying it
    True, however understanding the spiritual roots and practicing them are two different things.
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    Re: Religion and Martial Arts

    Originally posted by EarthDragon
    Do you think it's OK to make students practice or least observe Buddhism in order to study at a particular school?
    Since your school is a voluntary, private group, it seems within your rights to restrict membership by any arbitrary standard you please.

    That said, I would personally be extremely uncomfortable with a martial arts instructor who forced religous beliefs on their students, even if I happened to agree with them; and recommend ardently against it.

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    I think as long as you understand those roots..it's all good and irrelevant if you subscribe or not......

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    Re: Religion and Martial Arts

    Originally posted by EarthDragon

    Do you think it's OK to make students practice or least observe Buddhism in order to study at a particular school?
    Hell no its not right! what kind of stupid cr@p is that?

    No one made me observe a religion to take math or science, why should it be required from a ma school? Utter B/S.

    Oh, as far as understanding roots goes, those roots only go so deep. I fully agree with understanding the origin, but making folks practice is more than a bit too much.
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    Very good posts.

    The argument is the other way around.

    You study MA to defend yourself and not be harmed. You save life and serve justice.

    If you practice Daoism (Wu Dang) and Shaolin Zen Buhhdism, you need to study MA so as to complete or help your spiritual learning.

    Use Zen meditation to enter the world of Wushu. So that Zen and Quan are one and the same. (Zen Quan Her Yi)

    As a matter of fact, you may practice or not practice religions.

    But, all that Wushu learning will not help us, if we do not know how to be/make a "man" in the first place. That is why all schools of Wushu are tightly bundled with certain "disciplines" (life philosophy or religion).

    Again, it is your choice for the enlightment for your own being (consciousness or Zen).

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