Busted Martial Artists

[BoulderDawg]

I had a female call me up about classes. She told me that she had been training in a place where the instructor there had been "inappropriate" with her.

I told her the truth, ie that we have a good percentage of female students, they are treated fairly and that has NEVER been an issue here.

She showed up, did a free class, joined, and after about 3 classes it became apparent that she was "flirty" to say the least and had serious boundry issues. I had one of my female instructors explain to her that certain behavior was not tolerated and she had a choice of leaving (we'd gladly cancel her monthly billing) or staying and NOT acting the way she was

She chose to leave....

I question that just like I do with your interpetation of the Jeff Monson incident. Just exactly what was she doing? I have a problem believing anybody would do something in three classes so bad they would be asked to leave. You don't even know anybody in the class.

I have a feeling had she not of mentioned the problem at the other school then nothing would have been said.

[lkfmdc]

I question that just like I do with your interpetation of the Jeff Monson incident. Just exactly what was she doing? I have a problem believing anybody would do something in three classes so bad they would be asked to leave. You don't even know anybody in the class.

I have a feeling had she not of mentioned the problem at the other school then nothing would have been said.

The first class she was in, she was holding pads, she looked at me and said "I need my bra adjusted and since I have the pads on my hands....". I had the female instructor help her. IE I am not dumb enough to put my hands on a strange woman

The next class, we were doing ab work, a drill with leg movement which is also useful for guard work. She ended up next to me on the mat. She looked at me and told me "you know, I's so flexible I can put my ankles behind my head"

I just ignored that one

It was so obvious that my female instructor brought it up first

But you don't have to believe it

[BoulderDawg]

But you don't have to believe it

Gee Thanks!


If all that is true then I have no doubt it was part of some elaborate joke.

An adult woman who was truly interested in you would have simply asked you out to drinks or something after class. This "Adjust my bra" and "Hooking my ankles around your neck" sounds like you are being F'd with. Especially after the "I've already been sexually harrassed" intro speech.

I would have picked up on that immediately, saying "Alright who put you up to this s" and would have probably seen about three guys hitting the floor rolling in laughter off to the side.

[Kansuke]

I question that just like I do with your interpetation of the Jeff Monson incident. Just exactly what was she doing? I have a problem believing anybody would do something in three classes so bad they would be asked to leave. You don't even know anybody in the class.

Is this just like the way you "imagined" in great detail the discussion, if any, that preceeded the video in that 'police' thread, you ****ing hypocrite ****bag? STFU you ****.

[lkfmdc]

he can join hardwork108

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[Taryn P.]

Here's a hypothetical:

Suppose a teacher makes a pass at an adult student and continues after it's been made plain the student wants nothing to do with him.

Should she just leave the school?
Go to the cops?
Tell his wife?
Tell other students at the school?

I'm of the opinion she should just leave the school. There are plenty of other MA schools out there and if it comes to the point where the teachers is stalking her even after leaving the school then call the cops.

Tell his wife or other students? In my opinion that doesn't work.

If he doesn't own the school, or isn't the senior teacher, his higher-ups should be told that he is behaving inappropriately to students. They should deal with it (by getting rid of him, ideally).

Going to the cops- no, he hasn't done anything illegal if she is an adult and it was just "a pass" as opposed to something more insistant.

Tell the other students? If he was the owner- or if the owner was told and did nothing- one might feel an obligation to tell the other students, at least the females. Especially if any of them are underage. What if you did nothing, and then one (or more) of them was taken advantage of? I'd feel guilty, in that place. And if I was one of those students, I know I'd sure appreciate a heads-up about a teacher who may be a risk for being sexually inappropriate, before I found out by firsthand experience.

Tell his wife? I probably wouldn't go that far, unless the wife was a friend of mine and I felt she needed to know.

[BoulderDawg]

I think "passes" go on at all schools. The problems come in when a teacher simply won't take no for an answer and continues to harrass.

With an owner, or a long time high level teacher, you run into the royality problem. Students simply can't believe Master would do that.

[Taryn P.]

I think "passes" go on at all schools. The problems come in when a teacher simply won't take no for an answer and continues to harrass.

With an owner, or a long time high level teacher, you run into the royality problem. Students simply can't believe Master would do that.

I feel that it is inappropriate to make a pass at anyone with whom you have a teacher/student relationship.

If you really think that person is the love of your life, kick hir out of your class and *then* ask hir out.

[xcakid]

I feel that it is inappropriate to make a pass at anyone with whom you have a teacher/student relationship.

If you really think that person is the love of your life, kick her out of your class and *then* ask hir out.

I've actually expereinced this first hand. When I was teaching at a school many moons ago. I ended up dating one of the students. No need to be on the "busted" list. I was 25 she was like 22-23 at the time. Since it was a franchised school, I just sent her over to another school to study. This actually worked out cause the relationship lasted only a few months. It did not end amicably. Being up front to students that ask, I believe, kept the credibility of the school as well. Rather than letting rumors go around.

[GeneChing]

Foster City is right across the bay from us.

Foster City karate instructor suspected of molesting girl,13
By Mike Rosenberg
Daily News Staff Writer
Posted: 03/04/2009 11:28:33 PM PST

A 20-year-old martial arts instructor from Foster City was charged Wednesday with molesting a 13-year-old girl he met through a karate school, authorities said.

San Carlos police said they arrested Brendyn Crispell on Monday after he admitted to performing a sexual act on the girl in a car parked on the 900 block of McCue Avenue. Officers were initially called to the scene about 6:50 p.m. because the vehicle had been reported as suspicious.

Crispell was arrested on suspicion of lewd acts with a child under 14 and oral copulation with a person under 18. San Mateo County prosecutors then used police investigations to charge him on Wednesday with a total of four felony counts of child molestation, two of them stemming from incidents prior to his arrest Monday, said Assistant District Attorney Karen Guidotti.

San Carlos police on Monday found a container of Vaseline and two stuffed animals in Crispell's Honda station wagon, said police Cmdr. Rich Cinfio. Investigators did not know Wednesday who the stuffed animals belonged to or why they were in the car.

Cinfio said Crispell and the girl met each other through a karate school. He said Crispell is a martial arts instructor, but did not disclose the school's location or whether the victim was one of Crispell's students. Cinfio also declined to identify her city of residence.

Cinfio said investigators believe Crispell and the girl knew each other for about four years, and the sexual relationship "was ongoing to some degree" for about four months. There is no evidence the victim was being held against her will during their relationship, he said.

After obtaining a search warrant, police searched Crispell's home on Tuesday and seized his computer and other items, police said. According to Cinfio, a forensic analysis of the computer is pending but there appeared to be no immediate evidence of child pornography on the machine.

Investigators were uncertain Wednesday whether the victim's parents knew about her relationship with Crispell, Cinfio said.

Mike Devoy, Crispell's attorney, did not immediately return calls seeking comment Wednesday.

Crispell's bail has been set at $100,000. He is set to enter a plea in San Mateo County Superior Court on March 11.

oh crap...

[BoulderDawg]

If anything I think this guy was probably a little too young and immature to be put teaching girls of that age. In that video clip of him he looks about 13 himself.

If it was my school I would let him work with the older students but I would put the kids with an adult.

[GeneChing]

..."allegedly decided to have oral sex, knowing intercourse was illegal but thinking oral sex was not" Can't play ignorant now...

SAN MATEO CO.: JUNIOR MARTIAL ARTS INSTRUCTOR CHARGED WITH CHILD MOLESTATION
SAN CARLOS (BCN)

A junior instructor at a San Carlos martial arts school who is accused of having sexual relations with a 13-year-old girl made an initial appearance in San Mateo County Superior Court on Wednesday, according to the district attorney's office.

Prosecutors charged 20-year-old Brendyn Crispell, of Foster City, with four felony counts of child molestation, Chief Deputy District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe said today.

Crispell was arrested around 6:50 p.m. Monday after San Carlos police received reports of a suspicious vehicle in the 900 block of McCue Avenue, police said.

When officers arrived, they found Crispell and the girl inside the car. Crispell allegedly admitted to a sexual act with the girl after some questioning, police said.

The two met through the martial arts school and had known each other for about four years, Wagstaffe said.

They had been dating for four months and, as an anniversary celebration, had allegedly decided to have oral sex, knowing intercourse was illegal but thinking oral sex was not, Wagstaffe said.

He said they were in Crispell's mother's car and had taped blankets to the windows for privacy.

Crispell is in jail, and his bail has been set at $200,000, Wagstaffe said. His next court appearance is scheduled for Wednesday.

In response to BoulderDawg's comment above - it's never really appropriate for someone in a position of power, ie. teacher, doctor, boss, to proposition a subordinate. Any professional must engage this. I recommend Sex in the Forbidden Zone: When Men in Power—Therapists, Doctors, Clergy, Teachers, and Others—Betray Women's Trust by Peter Rutter, MD to anyone going into such a position. Ironically, we were going to lend our copy to one of my shidi, a young fellow instructor. We went to look for it on our bookshelf and then realized we had actually lent it to him years before and he never read or returned it. Some people just never get it.

In response to lkfmdc's situation, that sounds like it was handled very appropriately. There are definitely women that troll the martial arts circles for men. I'm dealing with a few right now. It's a trap, but such an obvious one that anyone with some wude can avoid it.

[BoulderDawg]

..."allegedly decided to have oral sex, knowing intercourse was illegal but thinking oral sex was not" Can't play ignorant now...



In response to BoulderDawg's comment above - it's never really appropriate for someone in a position of power, ie. teacher, doctor, boss, to proposition a subordinate. Any professional must engage this. I recommend Sex in the Forbidden Zone: When Men in Power—Therapists, Doctors, Clergy, Teachers, and Others—Betray Women's Trust by Peter Rutter, MD to anyone going into such a position. Ironically, we were going to lend our copy to one of my shidi, a young fellow instructor. We went to look for it on our bookshelf and then realized we had actually lent it to him years before and he never read or returned it. Some people just never get it.

My point of contention was that he should have never been in a position of power to begin with. I don't know this guy but as I said, just from looking at the video, he looked about 12-13 himself. I'm also guessing that mentally he is very close to that age.

Also, as I said, put him with your 40 year old business men and woman. There he could simply teach what he knows about KF. Do not put him with kids...He can't handle it.

[Taryn P.]

My point of contention was that he should have never been in a position of power to begin with. I don't know this guy but as I said, just from looking at the video, he looked about 12-13 himself. I'm also guessing that mentally he is very close to that age.

Also, as I said, put him with your 40 year old business men and woman. There he could simply teach what he knows about KF. Do not put him with kids...He can't handle it.

It wouldn't be fair to *assume* that because of his looks or his chronological age, he 1)couldn't teach well, 2)was mentally immature, or 3)would be preying on adolescents.

One would hope that if his higher-ups had any idea he was capable of this sort of behavior, they wouldn't have had him teaching anyone. Apparently they trusted him, and he let them down.

[Chazmek]

It wouldn't be fair to *assume* that because of his looks or his chronological age, he 1)couldn't teach well, 2)was mentally immature, or 3)would be preying on adolescents.

*waves*

Hehehe