Qi

[Hendrik]

I agree and dis-agree with Terence. since the the post some how got delete. Here I post my reply.



I agree Yes there are lots of fake Qi-gong teachers out there who has no idea what they are talking about and have no clue on the subject but posting as masters to cheat and mislead people.

However, Qi is real stuffs and Qi have different levels and different characteristics.


Since I dont know how to post PDF pictures here. If someone could help me I would.
Here is the real record of Qi or Energy research experiment of my sifu Li JiXing last year. Also, he has just completed another research experiment on blood cancer cell a few weeks ago. and the result is similar to the following one.

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Time: December 2nd to December 20th, 2006
Place: Laboratory of Penn State Children’s Hospital
Host: Professor John E. Neely MD, Pediatrics, Hematology-Oncology

Set Up: Dr, Neely chose one type of bone cancer cells ( bone tumor) for the ex-
periment. This particular cell line is known to be resistant to cyclophosphamide, a common
chemotherapy used to treat this tumor.
There were two incubators in the laboratory. First one contained two shelves; cells placed
on the upper shelf were for experiment, cells placed on the lower shelf were for control
(comparison). There were only control cells in the second incubator.

Procedure: During this period of time, Jixing Li sent healing energy from his office located in
Mountain View, California to contain the growth of those cancer cells placed in the
experiment shelf. Jixing Li has never been to the Penn State Children’s Hospital nor known
the exact location of this laboratory.
Dr. Neely’s assistant counted the total number of cells regularly. There were significant
differences in growth rate starting from the 3rd day. On the 12th day, cells on the control
shelf already grew full in their plates. Cells on the experiment shelf first grew in a much
slower rate and eventually the number of cells decreased almost to zero. Also, there were
cells contained multiple nuclei in the experiment group, which could not be explained by
modern medical science as how it happened.

There were three sets of cells on the experiment shelf, Jixing Li used
three different energy transformation methods which represented by 1A-
2, 1B and 1C-2. Control 2 and Control 3 were control cells; there were
no energy work on those cells so the cells were growing at their normal
There were cells contained multiple nuclei, which
could not be explained by modern medical science
as how it happened.
Chart and photograph provided by Penn State Children’s Hospital


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I post this above here to show as evidence. since Terence mention about cancer.

Yes, Qi exist. and also Yes, Qi cultivation exist in WCK's SLT. However, coud we tap into its training....etc That is the big question. however, research into the YJKYM will clearly tell if the set one does can or cannot carry one that far.

As my sifu Li Ji-Xing told me, one cant just read a few books and using one speculative mind to think one knows and start teaching others what one has no clue.



So, Terence, you are right, lots of so called Qigung or WCK qigung masters are BSing.

ask the Qigung teacher to show you how to evoke your Qi within the first 12 hours of training. if he cant help you to manifest after the taining or he cant even manifest for himself.
Walk away dont waste your life and money.



Terence, since you are proffessional and I am sure you have connection to Penn State, called them up, check on them.

Let's Give the ancient Chinese ancestors a fair trail give an honest anwer to the public.



peace

[Daniel09]

That's really neat. It's too bad no one seems to have mastered a teaching method though. Or, at least they haven't found a public one.

I've been working with my own Qi. I haven't had any training, just on my own, but I'm beginning to get an idea of using it for healing, as my feet have been injured in some way. When I concentrate the energy there I get instant pain relief, but my problem is the pain comes back. Thus, I've come to the conclusion that I don't have enough control yet. I plan on excersizing it over the next 10-20 years to try and gain control. Till then I will read what I can and see what works.

[Hendrik]

That's really neat. It's too bad no one seems to have mastered a teaching method though. Or, at least they haven't found a public one.

I've been working with my own Qi. I haven't had any training, just on my own, but I'm beginning to get an idea of using it for healing, as my feet have been injured in some way. When I concentrate the energy there I get instant pain relief, but my problem is the pain comes back. Thus, I've come to the conclusion that I don't have enough control yet. I plan on excersizing it over the next 10-20 years to try and gain control. Till then I will read what I can and see what works.

GEt a teacher that is the shortest path to learn to handle this. Dont waste life.

[sanjuro_ronin]

The issue with Qi is that science has yet to prove it exists, in a way that the people who believe in chi agree with.

Is it air?
breathe?
Bioelectrical field ?
Can it be cultivate? manipulated?
If the people that "preach" it can't agree on it, how can anyone on the outside looking in "believe"?

Kind of like the WC thread about "Bong", 9 pages of WC people debating what it is, can you imagine that about a left hook ??

[Hendrik]

The issue with Qi is that science has yet to prove it exists, in a way that the people who believe in chi agree with.

Is it air?
breathe?
Bioelectrical field ?
Can it be cultivate? manipulated?
If the people that "preach" it can't agree on it, how can anyone on the outside looking in "believe"?

Kind of like the WC thread about "Bong", 9 pages of WC people debating what it is, can you imagine that about a left hook ??

Read my post above.


It has been proven it exist be it in USA, Japan, or China --- Scientifically interm of wave and field.

It can be cultivate, manipulated..... certainly otherwise my sifu cannot do the experiment with Penn State and be able to repeat his handling on energy be it in China, Japan, or the USA's research lab.


The real problem is
Certainly, it is the issue that you have not update your knowledge on what happen in research in the past 5 years before your make your claim above.

and from your post you dont have any idea what is it.

So, why commenting or speculating anything you dont know?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Read my post above.


It has been proven it exist be it in USA, Japan, or China --- Scientifically interm of wave and field.

It can be cultivate, manipulated..... certainly otherwise my sifu cannot do the experiment with Penn State and be able to repeat his handling on energy be it in China, Japan, or the USA's research lab.


The real problem is
Certainly, it is the issue that you have not update your knowledge on what happen in research in the past 5 years before your make your claim above.

and from your post you dont have any idea what is it.

So, why commenting or speculating anything you dont know?

Did you read my post?
I said that people DON'T agree on what Qi is, I quote myself:
The issue with Qi is that science has yet to prove it exists, in a way that the people who believe in chi agree with.

And please feel free to link to these studies that have proven the exsistence of Qi.

[Corwyn]

Read my post above.
It has been proven it exist be it in USA, Japan, or China --- Scientifically interm of wave and field.

It can be cultivate, manipulated..... certainly otherwise my sifu cannot do the experiment with Penn State and be able to repeat his handling on energy be it in China, Japan, or the USA's research lab.

The real problem is
Certainly, it is the issue that you have not update your knowledge on what happen in research in the past 5 years before your make your claim above.

and from your post you dont have any idea what is it.

So, why commenting or speculating anything you dont know?

REALLY??? Proven by whom and under what conditions? Can you name a SINGLE peer reviewed article or a double blind study published in any reputable journal by these mysterious un-names, unknown experimenters at Penn state? What department at Penn State? How were these studies done? How were these experiments controlled?


No I didn't think so! Instead you'll just give us more mysterious "they" and "some" and tell us how we just haven't educated ourselves, or have been brainwashed by the conspiracy of the establish science community. Typical cultist mentality.

It ALWAYS amazes me when people make such claims. They have no CLUE as to the actual implications of the nonsense they believe and post. I guess mostly because they lack even the most basic skills in critical thinking and science. Otherwise they wouldn't get suckered into the woo in the first place.

Belief in this is no different then believing in fairy's, UFO's, big foot,
Jesus, 911 conspiracies, intelligent design, heaven's gate Jim Jones and the list goes on.
EVERY one of these group of nutters have some things in common;
a) they all claim to have some special access to mysterious powers/knowledge that can only be found through them.

b) this knowledge has been proven ( evidence which they can NEVER provide though) but is being hidden or suppressed by the eeeevil (fill in the blank)

c) an extreme level of condescension ( exemplified in the above quote) towards anyone with the audacity to question said belief.

What amuses me the most is how people who so adamantly believe in such nonsense on the one hand have such contempt for others woo. The cognitive dissonance required is Olympic.

Substitute Hedricks claims about chi with Intelligent design and you have the same exact statements made by the likes of Behe in the recent Dover trials.
Substitute chi with UFO's and you get exactly the same statement from Applewhite
(the leader of Heavens Gate) Yet if you were to ask H about Heavens Gate, dollars to donuts he'd tell you Applewhite was a loon. Behe would tell you that both of these guys are nutters who will burn in hell for believing in the wrong god.

This wouldn't be a big deal, and it would even be funny, but for the incredible harm these people inflict on the gullible, the desperate , children or the ill.

So Sanjoro while I applaud your effort and share your fight, recognize that mostly you are banging your head against the wall and no you will never receive a straight answer from people like this.

[Daniel09]

GEt a teacher that is the shortest path to learn to handle this. Dont waste life.

I'm not sure what you mean by waste life. If you think I was injured during practice you're mistaken. I injured my feet while running, and I have been practicing qi control to try and speed up the healing, but nothing stupid. I am a very scientific thinker and I don't take to believing superstitious things right off the bat. I've seen my own qi work, and that's enough to get me researching.

The problem most people have is that there's no bottle that says "qi" that they can study. Because they can't see it or manipulate it with instruments, they immediately take it as a myth. The point of science is to branch out into unknown regions and explain them. If you choose one explanation and allow no changes, what are you achieving. If anyone here knows anything about true science they wouldn't so easily take this as a crackpot loony bin experiment. They would analyze it, ask questions, and attempt to repeat the experiment with all means possible. They would find loopholes in the testing and fix them, then try again.

All this talk about "impossibilities" is the rubbish. From my experience, and I shall say the experience history has taught us, nothing is impossible. It may seem unlikely, but you never know until you, and I stress you, have tested it yourself in every way, shape, and form. Just because a study is performed doesn't make it fact, just like just because you say qi doesn't exist is not a fact. It's an OPINION. Enough said.

[Hendrik]

believe what you like and create the world as you believe. it is a free will world.

as you like so you got.

[sanjuro_ronin]

See this is the issue, I, who incidently does believe in chi as a bio-electrical magnetic force in every living being, was reamed by someone because I simply stated that there are different views of chi is, that are held by those the believe in its existence.

As for calling up Penn state, no problem, gotta a couple of friends that went there, as it was, what departement , the same one in what you posted?

" Host: Professor John E. Neely MD, Pediatrics, Hematology-Oncology "