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    So I got to make dit da jow the other day

    Working in the TCM shop on weekends noone had ever requested dit da jow before yesterday, but a martial artist came in and requested some.

    I don't remember everything in the formula but this is what I remember

    Xue Jie (red crystal substance, crushed into a powder)
    Hong Hua
    Notoginseng (root crushed into smaller pieces)
    Da Huang
    Chi Shao (Red Peony Root)
    Mo Yao (crushed)

    There were maybe 2 or 3 herbs I can't remember, and this was to be soaked in Vodka.


    I actually know the guys martial arts teacher, was pretty cool!
    Last edited by bodhitree; 01-07-2008 at 07:07 AM.
    Bless you

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    Dit Da Jow is great for both martial artists (essential for certain things) and non-martial artists. Does your shop advertise its uses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xia View Post
    Dit Da Jow is great for both martial artists (essential for certain things) and non-martial artists. Does your shop advertise its uses?

    No, the shop does not. The CMA community in Pittsburgh is small, and most of them know the doctor. Most of her patients are Chinese or new ageish Americans.
    Bless you

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    Dit Da Jow

    Following is a representative formula for a Dit Da Jow for acute injuries that uses some of the herbs that you reference above. The other herbs work together as well to create a blood-moving, Qi-coursing, pain-killing forumla. Using the tail of Dang Gui and preparing it by frying it in vinegar accentuates its blood-moving qualities. You could also add a cup of vinegar per gallon of vodka to help the formula penetrate into the tendons. This would be helpful in the case of sprains, etc.


    Da Huang
    4 Qian

    Zhi Zi
    4 Qian

    Hong Hua
    4 Qian

    Huang Bai
    4 Qian

    Ru Xiang
    4 Qian

    Mo Yao
    4 Qian

    Zhang Nao
    4 Qian

    Xue Jie
    4 Qian

    Lu Lu Tong
    4 Qian

    Dang Gui Wei (tail)
    Vinegar fry
    4 Qian

    Best,

    Steve

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    Another Jow

    • 1 liter bottle of strong vodka, gin or Chinese rice wine
    • Artemesia (Liu ji nu) - 5g
    • Borneol (Bingpian) - 1g
    • Carthamus (Honghua) - 5g
    • Catechu (Ercha) - 8g
    • Cinnabar (Zhusha) - 5g
    • Cirsium (DaJi) - 1g
    • Dragon's Blood (Xuejie) - 30g
    • Mastic (Ruxiang) - 5g
    • Musk (Shexiang) - 1g
    • Myrrh (Moyao) - 5g
    • Pinellia (ShengBanXia) - 5g

    Grind up place in alcohol stir weekly ready on 60 days
    really strong after 6 months. Keep out of open wounds
    OTD

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    This is turning out to be a good thread!

    TTT
    Bless you

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    Quote Originally Posted by OTD View Post
    • 1 liter bottle of strong vodka, gin or Chinese rice wine
    • Artemesia (Liu ji nu) - 5g
    • Borneol (Bingpian) - 1g
    • Carthamus (Honghua) - 5g
    • Catechu (Ercha) - 8g
    • Cinnabar (Zhusha) - 5g
    • Cirsium (DaJi) - 1g
    • Dragon's Blood (Xuejie) - 30g
    • Mastic (Ruxiang) - 5g
    • Musk (Shexiang) - 1g
    • Myrrh (Moyao) - 5g
    • Pinellia (ShengBanXia) - 5g

    Grind up place in alcohol stir weekly ready on 60 days
    really strong after 6 months. Keep out of open wounds
    OTD



    You have to be insane to use any formula that contains cinnabar.

    There are other alternatives.

    Posting such a formula is reckless and shows your total lack of knowledge.

    Do not use cinnabar ever as its naturally occurring mercury. It is highly toxic and using a formula like this over time will be detrimental to you health.

    By the way who are you OTD and where did you get this formula?

    It would seem you have not much experience if you do not know the ingredients in your formulas and what they can do to you.
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    Hence they hide rather than be known as adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OTD View Post
    • 1 liter bottle of strong vodka, gin or Chinese rice wine
    • Artemesia (Liu ji nu) - 5g
    • Borneol (Bingpian) - 1g
    • Carthamus (Honghua) - 5g
    • Catechu (Ercha) - 8g
    • Cinnabar (Zhusha) - 5g
    • Cirsium (DaJi) - 1g
    • Dragon's Blood (Xuejie) - 30g
    • Mastic (Ruxiang) - 5g
    • Musk (Shexiang) - 1g
    • Myrrh (Moyao) - 5g
    • Pinellia (ShengBanXia) - 5g

    Grind up place in alcohol stir weekly ready on 60 days
    really strong after 6 months. Keep out of open wounds
    OTD

    This is a Wing Chun Dit Da Jow, by Sifu John Crescione:
    http://www.crocuta.net/crescioneOnJow.htm

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    back on topic

    Wow, bodhitree posted some herbs and nobody took notice but to start a battle over sources and ingredients... sheesh.

    FWIW, I'd like to go back to bodhi's jow formula and take a closer look at the ingredients, though he said some were missing.

    Xue Jie (red crystal substance, crushed into a powder)
    Hong Hua
    Notoginseng (root crushed into smaller pieces)
    Da Huang
    Chi Shao (Red Peony Root)
    Mo Yao (crushed)
    This is actually a pretty good starting point for a homebrew jow - all the ingredients (with exception of xue jie, which is getting expensive and harder to find) are readily available and have a reasonably high margin of safety.

    Xue jie is the dried sap of the Daemonorops palm and is very effective for moving stagnant blood, esp. in the liver. I've taken it internally to remedy some pretty severe blood stag headaches.

    Hong Hua regulates the blood - I'm surprised not to see Tao Ren in the formula, as it often is paired with Hong Hua for a stronger invigorate blood effect.

    Notoginseng (San Qi) is revered for it's unique ability to both invigorate blood and stop bleeding. It is suspected that San Qi is the main ingredient in the famous Yunnan Paiyao blood clotting powder.

    Da Huang is also a great blood mover, while stopping pain and cooling inflammation. This is the herb that'll likely stain your hands yellow (which I proudly wear )

    Chi Shao nourishes the blood while invigorating it.

    Mo Yao helps to break up stagnation while regenerating tissue - I'm surprised not to see Ru Xiang (mastic) partnered with it, as the mo yao, ru xiang, xue jie combo is also famous for its strong effects. In fact, I used a modified version of the "Big Three" along with some other herbs to quickly and completely heal a naaasty HUMAN bite wound on my arm - the flesh was completely destroyed from the sheer force of the bite and I believe my formula sped things up considerably, and no scarring remains, save for a bit of discoloration that is fading with time. As a further side note, I verified the blood moving properties during this incident when I removed the silver-dollar sized patty of my herbal plaster from the site of injury. Much to my amazement the next day, the area in contact with the plaster was completely free of bruising, while a severe, dark purple bruise surrounded the area. I expanded my plaster coverage accordingly, and 2 days later the bruise had all but faded from view.

    The above herbs could easily be ground fine and made into a plaster as well, or taken as a draft internally for severe internal bruising.

    peace

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    Great info. Thank you.

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    Stallion urine...

    When using stallion urine, I always include 7 pcs. of big spiders (with 7 stars on the back) and 150 gr. of moss on shaded side of wall...

    Just kidding!!!!!

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    Ah, so you have heard of the secret forum-ula - just make sure the stallion is under the age of 10.

    ox

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    Ok, folks, I am on Dale's side of the fence here. It's like if I were to walk up to a Soldier looking down the barrel of his rifle trying to clean it.

    There is absolutely no excuse for suggesting toxic chemicals be used on a topical solution, especially mercury. I think we need to put aside the idea of hurting someone's feelings if that person is recommending harmful practices. We have gone past a civil disagreement to a situation where a novice could be harmed by following the directions.

    As for the anonymous nature of the net, it's great when simply posting random anecdotes. However, when professional advice is given, it should be backed up by someone who has worked in the profession. This may be the net, but people still are obligated to back their proposed works. It's not a free for all.
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