I Cant Find Any Choy Lay Fut Anywhere!!!

[KFNOOB]

Spoke to Doc Fai Wong, he has a DVD set with a lot of communication with student but it's only forms. I have Tat Ma Wong videos. Only school I can find around is questionable from what I see on Bullshido (Greencloud) and there's another school in Plainview but he is a lineage jumper apparently. How does everyone learn CLF with so few schools? Im getting impresion that many use videos AFTER they have a real base in another CMA.

[SenseiShellie]

Spoke to Doc Fai Wong, he has a DVD set with a lot of communication with student but it's only forms. I have Tat Ma Wong videos. Only school I can find around is questionable from what I see on Bullshido (Greencloud) and there's another school in Plainview but he is a lineage jumper apparently. How does everyone learn CLF with so few schools? Im getting impresion that many use videos AFTER they have a real base in another CMA.

Where are you located?

[CLFNole]

Most of us study under a sifu and have so for a long time. Few people learn via videos as that can only take you so far even if you do have a background in another style. If you don't have CLF in your area you have a few choices:

1) pick another style
2) move
3) videos, books & DVDs

Personally I think having a sifu is the most important thing if you truly want to understand a style. I have been doing CLF for around 15 years and I always learn something new. There is plenty of CLF around if you are in the right places. If you live in the middle of a corn field in Iowa you are SOL but it's out there.

[Yao Sing]

Generally, the teacher is more important than the style.

IOW, stop banging your head against the wall insisting on a specific style and go train with the best you can find locally.

Either that or move to where a good CLF teacher lives. It's that simple.

[Drake]

GM DFW is in China right now, so while you may have e-mailed him, but I highly doubt you spoke to him. He's not only forms, and please don't spread rumors to that extent.

CLFNole is right. You miss out by not having a Sifu around. I say stop focusing on CLF if you can't find a school. Before I settled with CLF, I studied with a Mantis guy who was also in the military like me, and it made a world of difference having him there. Same as when I studied under my first Sifu and friend before I joined the Army.

You needn't be heavily concerned about "lineage jumping" or things like that. You are there to learn the basics right now anyway. Get that Sifu/student time.

[KFNOOB]

DFW told me himself that his DVDs are mainly forms. He said that if you went to his school you'd get two person drills, sparring etc. The tapes are mainly forms. this is what he said so its not a "rumor". You have the tapes so Im not saying you dont know---but this is what he told me directly.

[Drake]

The training isn't only forms. The very first DVD, and the very first thing you have to send him is basic blocking, strikes, stances and kicks.

Of course you can't spar or do two man drills if you are alone.

[B-Rad]

Does it show any kind of application of the techniques though? I think that's the main question. Individual drills/techniques done in the air are along the lines of form work (just simpler).

[KFNOOB]

There are DFW clips on youtube, are those the DVDs or similar?

[Drake]

Does it show any kind of application of the techniques though? I think that's the main question. Individual drills/techniques done in the air are along the lines of form work (just simpler).

Yes. GM DFW always shows the form, then breaks it down into individual applications. For example, the ng lun choi has a section where there is a left chin nau, left poon kiu (Right diu ma), followed by a tsop with the right hand (Say Ping Ma), the person then turns around with a left poon kiu and a sow choi. This is part of the ng lun ma, but also a drill in itself.


What are you looking for in CLF, KFNOOB? I do it because I enjoy it. I already know how to carry myself in combat. I just enjoy the health, flexibility increases, and a better sense of knowing myself.

[Drake]

There are DFW clips on youtube, are those the DVDs or similar?

The ones where it's him or Jason at their studio are likely from the DVD, illegally posted.

And I forgot to mention...if you are interested in distance learning to be a better fighter, you'll be disappointed.

[KFNOOB]

Drake, thanks for the responses. Much appreciated. I study another art so Im getting conditioing and, what I believe to be, pretty decent self defense. I would take CLF (or any TCMA for that matter) for the same reasons you are...for the journey of knowledge and enjoyment. Flexibility is a big weakness so anything I do has that as a goal.

[Drake]

Drake, thanks for the responses. Much appreciated. I study another art so Im getting conditioing and, what I believe to be, pretty decent self defense. I would take CLF (or any TCMA for that matter) for the same reasons you are...for the journey of knowledge and enjoyment. Flexibility is a big weakness so anything I do has that as a goal.

Just stretch a lot...and kick. I kick 200+ times per session, since I have to kick more than Sifu Frank's students. HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT MR. I DO MY WALL BAG SET ON A TREE??? I'll start doing mine on freaking RABID MONKEYS. BEAT THAT ONE SIFU FRANK! BEAT THAT!

[Drake]

KFNOOB,
I read in another post that you live on Long Island. Isn't that Lama Pai CLF guy there? He posts clips here all the time. Looks good enough to drop some $$.

[hskwarrior]

Well Sir Drake,

How About This One?

You Have Not Reached A Proper Mastery Until The Tree's Kick Back.

Once The Tree's Kick Back, And You Effectively Defend Yourself Against Such A Worthy Opponent, Only Then Will You Be Allowed To Leave The Mounatin!:d