Evasion in WC?

[Wu Wei Wu]

KFF,

I haven't studied Western boxing nor JKD.

What I use is the kuen/boxing of (Hei Ban/Opera Company) Wing Chun.

Suki Gosal

[couch]

do people still attack charging down the centerline ?

Yes.

Best,
Kenton Sefcik

[KPM]

From another recent thread here on KFO....here is a clip of Wong Shun Leung sharing insights on this topic:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M72H7q2iabM

[Matrix]

From another recent thread here on KFO....here is a clip of Wong Shun Leung sharing insights on this topic:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M72H7q2iabM

Keith,
Please note that he's talking about 'dodging'. He also demonstrates this at the beginning of the clip. What I'm talking about is a much more subtle movement - not bobbing and weaving.

Bill

[YungChun]

Keith,
Please note that he's talking about 'dodging'. He also demonstrates this at the beginning of the clip. What I'm talking about is a much more subtle movement - not bobbing and weaving.

Bill

Agreed..

Moving the line, angling, can be done with a subtle slip, or movement of the head--evasion.. Bobbing in the sense of WB, IMO is not seen in the system--doesn't mean you can't do it....

[monji112000]

So you use more of a western boxing/JKD type approach to defend?

those are general ideas, that are not excluded from WC.

[Liddel]

The triangle horse in my VT is all about superior positioning when bridges are in contact and evasion when not in contact.

Thats footwork evasion, weaving is another story.

I utilise actions from the dummy form for weaving away from actions where needed. Footwork is very important for support though and it tends to be towards the outside,(just my habbit now i think about it )

Youll find 'a VT weave' (IMO) in the first section with the side kick, after the first Dai Bong.

Because VT deals with minimal movement, short actions etc evasion for me is very minute. Not as emphasised as say a boxers movements. Although when wearing big gloves my action becomes bigger because the weapon im evading is bigger.

A Wu Sao which checks and protects with a punch is my most used evasion tech, (triangle footwork again) very similar to something youd see from other arts just with VT flavour.

DREW

[YungChun]

The triangle horse in my VT is all about superior positioning when bridges are in contact and evasion when not in contact.

Agreed. I just see it as 'superior positioning' be there contact or not.

Footwork is very important for support though and it tends to be towards the outside,(just my habbit now i think about it )

I think that's more or less the norm for the system. Some folks I trained with would keep working to the outside until they got behind you. Then they'd take out the legs, etc.

Because VT deals with minimal movement, short actions etc evasion for me is very minute. Not as emphasised as say a boxers movements.

Exactly.. Here we see conservation of motion again as an integral part of the system.

Although when wearing big gloves my action becomes bigger because the weapon im evading is bigger.

Bingo again.. And IMO the openings are often smaller and the angles needed to make them can get bigger too..

[Liddel]

We should note VT also has its own flavour of 'slipping evasion' during contact.

If i Use Tan against a striaght punch and the opponent is stepping foward and fully commited, my Tans contact point does not continue to follow the intital touch point of the weapon/punch.
Its angled in such a way that any further force is moving outside your body and if the opponnet is still moving forward at the time contact is made the punch slips down my Tan making my hand become closer and closer to the opponents mass.

A quick change from Tan to a punch, Ka Blamm. Short and sharp.

IMO this is another type of slipping found in VT and its available in many other VT actions too.

Space and timing are paramount, and your opponnet has to commit but its all there IMO....

DREW

[LoneTiger108]

Youll find 'a VT weave' (IMO) in the first section with the side kick, after the first Dai Bong.

Hey Drew! I'm sure that there are more examples of this type of weave found in the Wooden Man Form.

A 'signature' type technique from Lee Shing was something called 'Wang Wan Yiu', like a revolving waist, which allows you to slip closer to the body of your opponent while maintaning high and mid cover. Useful very close as the elbows drive upwards and into the centre quite rapidly while the hands can catch and manipulate if need be...