for the love of god wtf is wrong with ppl?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Well, the worst part was, after they nailed him, a guy who had never met him came along and used his name to sell his own theories, despite the original guy's OWN BROTHER saying that wasn't the way. But then some other guys put a "hit" on his brother and that's all she wrote

Not to take this out of the humour it is in, but what is that about?
Link please?

[MasterKiller]

Not to take this out of the humour it is in, but what is that about?
Link please?

Jesus f@cking Christ....

[sanjuro_ronin]

Jesus f@cking Christ....

That is too easy to make a play on so I will do this instead:

[MasterKiller]

That is too easy to make a play on so I will do this instead:

No, really. Jesus f@cking Christ.

[sanjuro_ronin]

No, really. Jesus f@cking Christ.

LOL, I know who its about, I wanted to know WHAT David was referring to.

[lkfmdc]

I'm a trained historian who also happens to be half jewish/half catholic... and I've developed a personal interest in the history of religion and how religions "evolve" ("devolve") generations after they are established.

If you read any of the works of the "historical Jesus project" and especially anything on James (Jesus' brother and first leader of the Church in Israel) how a religion started by a Jew, practiced by Jews, with a distinctly Jewish context and distinctly Jewish message gave birth to one of the most anti-semitic movements in the world? The answer is Paul, not so much an anti-semite really, but a man who we now clearly can see took the religion in a very different dirrection, DESPITE the objections of James and the original disciples (and remember that Paul NEVER MET JESUS, much less learned his direct teachings).

That's not even touching what Chris was talking about, ie the complete revision of Mary's role in the original movement and her subsequent "downgrades" by a series of misogynistic Church leaders who exhibited some strange tendencies....

Now, back to something funny

[MasterKiller]

Now, back to something funny

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kPCHN0ZQl2Y

[lkfmdc]

this one is good

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8oUoLFVXaTU&feature=related

[jow yeroc]

"Let he who is without sin, kick the first ass!!" i love it, thanks.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I'm a trained historian who also happens to be half jewish/half catholic... and I've developed a personal interest in the history of religion and how religions "evolve" ("devolve") generations after they are established.

If you read any of the works of the "historical Jesus project" and especially anything on James (Jesus' brother and first leader of the Church in Israel) how a religion started by a Jew, practiced by Jews, with a distinctly Jewish context and distinctly Jewish message gave birth to one of the most anti-semitic movements in the world? The answer is Paul, not so much an anti-semite really, but a man who we now clearly can see took the religion in a very different dirrection, DESPITE the objections of James and the original disciples (and remember that Paul NEVER MET JESUS, much less learned his direct teachings).

That's not even touching what Chris was talking about, ie the complete revision of Mary's role in the original movement and her subsequent "downgrades" by a series of misogynistic Church leaders who exhibited some strange tendencies....

Now, back to something funny

I knew about the Paul thing, but I will look into the "historical jesus project".

[lkfmdc]

"The Brother of Jesus" by Jeffrey j Butz is a good place to start IMHO

[sanjuro_ronin]

"The Brother of Jesus" by Jeffrey j Butz is a good place to start IMHO

Grazie.
I will look it up.

[jow yeroc]

You guys are really pressing your luck. Any minute now a ultra right wing
fundamentalist evangelical troll is gonna turn this into a futile argument on
"faith" and religion. When that happens i'm outta this thread. You just can't
debate with "religious" folk who refuse to do any kind of research that may be
contrary to what they think is the end all be all. Even when given historical
FACTS they will argue tooth and nail. Nobody wins.

[sanjuro_ronin]

You guys are really pressing your luck. Any minute now a ultra right wing
fundamentalist evangelical troll is gonna turn this into a futile argument on
"faith" and religion. When that happens i'm outta this thread. You just can't
debate with "religious" folk who refuse to do any kind of research that may be
contrary to what they think is the end all be all. Even when given historical
FACTS they will argue tooth and nail. Nobody wins.

Yeah, what's with those closed minded, I am right you are wrong and mine is the only truth, kind of people ?

[Drake]

god is not real.

there, I started the fire.