Its not correct to pain all with the same brush that we paint selected few.Originally Posted by Black Jack II
The biggest issue I have is with the "silent majority" of Muslims that don't fix there extremists like they shoudl be fixed.
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Its not correct to pain all with the same brush that we paint selected few.
The biggest issue I have is with the "silent majority" of Muslims that don't fix there extremists like they shoudl be fixed.
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They just bomb abortion clinics, blow up federal buildings, and barricade themselves in compounds now.
And if you say they are an aberration of christianity, then in all fairness you cn say the same about al qaeda.
I bet if you tally up the numbers, historically, christians are the number one killers on the planet. Islam has a LOT of catching up to do, especially after what the christian Hitler did.
As for muslims not speaking out, you clearly don't read enough...
www.freemuslims.org/
www.m-a-t.org/
www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
The last one being particularly informative about muslim outrage over 9-11
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Ah, you must be one of those so-called "sophisticated" critics.As for muslims not speaking out, you clearly don't read enough...
Wow, three resources, compared to millions of others who don't.
In many Islamic countries a majority of Muslims lionize the man responsible for the atrocities of September 11th and the terrorist gangs who routinely slaughter civilians in Israeli buses and restaurants. In Arab schools and on Arab television, children are taught the glory of becoming suicide bombers.
Almost everywhere that Islam borders other cultures, there is violence. Take a look at Sweden for a example of how things get nasty when Islam takes root.
Islamic countries are fascist, autocratic nations where women are subjugated and minorities are persecuted, countries which have been rife with poverty for centuries. I am talking about a religon here, not a demographic group, and yes having met and trained with a number of muslims, in a muslim art, that I can say I can stick by my serious dislike of the religon of Islam.
Islam is not exempt from critical analysis, as shown here their is no shortage of critics on Christianity or on almost any college campus for that reason where correct thought-police stifle debate on Islam by shamelessly playing the race card -- even though Islam is not a race.
Islam is a throwback.
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If you think Hitler was a Christian, then YOU clearly haven't read enoughI bet if you tally up the numbers, historically, christians are the number one killers on the planet. Islam has a LOT of catching up to do, especially after what the christian Hitler did.
As for muslims not speaking out, you clearly don't read enough...BTW, I think you're forgetting about the Communists (China and USSR would easily dwarf Hitlers #'s anyway).
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he's a democrat. Not a whole lot to discover, really. He isn't a monster sent from planet mongo, a Muslim plot to kill America, or a sleeper from a communist soviet program
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Um, have you paid attention to the various plans and programs the democratic party and thier 2 presidential candidates want to implement in this country? It's one socialist program after another...they are nothing short of Soviet Union lite at this point.
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Republicans already implemented KGB-like police tactics here: Illegal wire taps on U.S. citizens, unlimited imprisonment without charge or trial, torture of U.S. enemies, state-sponsored media congolmeration and propoganda (Rupert Murdoch, Bush's fake news stories illegally paid for with tax dollars to gain support for the prescription drug act, paying off of columnists to write articles promoting gov't agenda), limits to free speech (free-speech 'zones', anyone), and increased intrusive search and seizure policies for local police.
Democrats are just following the lead.
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The nice part about being a "good american" is that you get to have all your own beliefes so long as you "cause no harm." You don't have to be a member of a certain faith in order to be tolerant of it. You can out-right dislike some one and still be civil to them in public. I think being a good American is accepting that your ways are not everyone else and that's ok.
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Nothing even close to the KGB, I bet you cannot name one right, that was taken away from you in specific, something from any of these programs that affected you.Republicans already implemented KGB-like police tactics here:
Nothing illegal about them, they were passed by Congress, and it targeted for specifics.Illegal wire taps on U.S. citizens,
Not U.S. citizens. War prisoners.unlimited imprisonment without charge or trial,
Water-Torture was defined as not being torture. If we want to talk torture you should check out the other side.torture of U.S. enemies,
Zero real proof on this whatsoeverBush's fake news stories illegally paid for with tax dollars to gain support for the prescription drug act, paying off of columnists to write articles promoting gov't agenda),
Where is YOUR new limit to free speech? When did this happen to you?limits to free speech
In what respect? In War Time these things happen by the way.increased intrusive search and seizure policies for local police.
Last edited by Black Jack II; 02-22-2008 at 09:35 AM.
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There aren't christian beheading videos because the KKK tends to hang or burn its victims. Islam is a religion that is easily twisted because of misinterpritation of the koran, specifically jihad.
I'm not saying you don't have a right to not like the muslims you've met, maybe they were very reclusive or just d1cks but those kind of blanket statements are false and needlessly malicious
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No they were not. Congress mandates wire tapes be authorized by judicial oversight. These were not.
If they were legal, Bush wouldn't be pressing for retroactive immunity for the phone companies that complied with this illegal activity.
When did Congress declare war?Not U.S. citizens. War prisoners.
I guess sticking lightbulbs in people's @sses is OK? Having dogs attack them?Water-Torture was defined as not being torture. If we want to talk torture you should check out the other side.
Federal authorities are actively investigating dozens of American television stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news. Some of the fake news segments talked up success in the war in Iraq, or promoted the companies' products.Zero real proof on this whatsoever
Investigators from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are seeking information about stations across the country after a report produced by a campaign group detailed the extraordinary extent of the use of such items.
The report, by the non-profit group Centre for Media and Democracy, found that over a 10-month period at least 77 television stations were making use of the faux news broadcasts, known as Video News Releases (VNRs). Not one told viewers who had produced the items.
"We know we only had partial access to these VNRs and yet we found 77 stations using them," said Diana Farsetta, one of the group's researchers. "I would say it's pretty extraordinary. The picture we found was much worse than we expected going into the investigation in terms of just how widely these get played and how frequently these pre-packaged segments are put on the air."
Ms Farsetta said the public relations companies commissioned to produce these segments by corporations had become increasingly sophisticated in their techniques in order to get the VNRs broadcast. "They have got very good at mimicking what a real, independently produced television report would look like," she said.
The FCC has declined to comment on the investigation but investigators from the commission's enforcement unit recently approached Ms Farsetta for a copy of her group's report.
The range of VNR is wide. Among items provided by the Bush administration to news stations was one in which an Iraqi-American in Kansas City was seen saying "Thank you Bush. Thank you USA" in response to the 2003 fall of Baghdad. The footage was actually produced by the State Department, one of 20 federal agencies that have produced and distributed such items.
Many of the corporate reports, produced by drugs manufacturers such as Pfizer, focus on health issues and promote the manufacturer's product. One example cited by the report was a Hallowe'en segment produced by the confectionery giant Mars, which featured Snickers, M&Ms and other company brands. While the original VNR disclosed that it was produced by Mars, such information was removed when it was broadcast by the television channel - in this case a Fox-owned station in St Louis, Missouri.
Bloomberg news service said that other companies that sponsored the promotions included General Motors, the world's largest car maker, and Intel, the biggest maker of semi-conductors. All of the companies said they included full disclosure of their involvement in the VNRs. "We in no way attempt to hide that we are providing the video," said Chuck Mulloy, a spokesman for Intel. "In fact, we bend over backward to make this disclosure."
The FCC was urged to act by a lobbying campaign organised by Free Press, another non-profit group that focuses on media policy. Spokesman Craig Aaron said more than 25,000 people had written to the FCC about the VNRs. "Essentially it's corporate advertising or propaganda masquerading as news," he said. "The public obviously expects their news reports are going to be based on real reporting and real information. If they are watching an advertisement for a company or a government policy, they need to be told."
The controversy over the use of VNRs by television stations first erupted last spring. At the time the FCC issued a public notice warning broadcasters that they were obliged to inform viewers if items were sponsored. The maximum fine for each violation is $32,500 (£17,500).
If it happens in America AT ALL, it's a d@mn shame.Where is YOUR new limit to free speech? When did this happen to you?
When did Congress declare war?In what respect? In War Time these things happen by the way.
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That whole thing is a mess.
People are afraid of Muslims because they are different and because many do not know any. It's true that many communities keep to themselves and hardly venture outside their friends and families. And if people go to CNN or FOX for their news and end up seeing image after image of evil Muslims that want to kill them, then sure, they'll get afraid.
I know many individuals that are Muslims. Most are solid fellows that, although adhering to religious observances to a strict degree that not really any other group in Canada does, they're normal people like the rest of us.
People want outsiders, they want to seem special, they want to seem great, and unity is achieved through comparison.
Why don't all of Americans speak out against atrocities committed by their government? Invading countries? Killing innocent people? Torture?
For what it's worth, my Somalian friend who is Muslim tells me that if you kill yourself that is the worst sin and that murder is not accepted.
There are fanatics. Absolutely. But that would be like saying all of Americans are like the Bush administration. And I know that's not the case...
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the same could be said, really, for any religion if one practices it "100%"; technically, a fundamental Christian reading of the Bible would undoubtedly contradict many aspects of the American socio-legal construct; same with Orthodox Judaism; at the "extreme" end, being a Buddhist is inherently in conflict with the notion of being "American", since one of the myths it seeks to dispel is identification of oneself as being of a nationality (which basically reinforces the illusion of the ego-structure);
point is, life is contradiction; 100% consistency with any "-ism" is more akin to being dead than alive, because it robs one of the ability to spontaneously respond to a given life situation; adhering unerringly to any structured belief system, be it religious, philosophical or political, is to completely trade in one's own unique status as an individual for a set of pre-conceived precepts
so if being a Muslin or whatever is in conflict with being an American, first off, good; second off, who really cares? what's so inherently special about being "American"? certainly, there are many positive aspects, but it's not by any means an inherently superior designation; and one can still live in this country as a productive, contributing citizen without subscribing to any of the patriotic silliness that so many seem to feel is vital to being a "good American";
as for Obama, he's Christian, if I am not mistaken, not Muslim (like it would matter if he was...)
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Yes, Obama is Christian belonging to the Trinity United Church of Christ. I remember the criticisms over his choice of church over them having fairly radical views on race relations, and his pastor has been mentioned many times on the news.
His father was a Muslim though, and his mother was an atheist.
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The Bush administration was confronted with fresh evidence of a far-reaching clandestine campaign to influence public opinion yesterday after a third conservative commentator admitted receiving payments for championing its policies.Zero real proof on this whatsoever
Michael McManus, a newspaper columnist, was paid up to $10,000 (£5,300) to praise the administration's marriage initiative, which diverts funds from welfare to marital counselling, the Los Angeles Times reported.
His fees were approved by a branch of the department of health and human services, and were funnelled through the Lewin Group, a consultancy firm. The commentator's rightwing Marriage Savers Foundation received an additional $49,000 in government grants. Mr McManus did not disclose the payments in his columns.
Neither did Maggie Gallagher, another conservative columnist and even a more prominent supporter of the marriage plan.
The Washington Post reported on Wednesday that Ms Gallagher received $21,500 from the department of health and human services, and $20,000 from the justice department for championing the initiative in her syndicated newspaper columns.
George Bush tried to distance the administration from such payment practices earlier this week, and an official from the health department said the payments would cease.
But a report issued on Thursday by Democratic members of the House of Representatives suggested the Bush administration may rely far more heavily on pay-per-view columnists than had been previously thought.
The administration spent more than $88m on public relations contracts last year - more than double the $37m it spent during Mr Bush's first year in office. That brought the administration's first-term spending on PR to $250m.
The first sign of a political payola scandal erupted this month when USA Today reported that Armstrong Williams, a conservative African-American columnist, had been paid $240,000 by the education department to champion the administration's controversial policies in his print, radio and television outlets.
Mr Williams was paid through Ketchum PR, the public relations firm also involved in producing fake "news pieces" last year that touted the administration's prescription drug bill. Some US television stations put the clips straight on the air.
The administration claimed that its use of a fake reporter, Karen Ryan, to sell its programmes, was an isolated incident. It now appears that such covert campaigns were widespread.
The Bush administration's readiness to pay for favourable press at a time of mounting budget deficits has raised eyebrows in Congress.
"While not all public relations spending is illegal or inappropriate, this rapid rise in public relations contracts at a time of growing budget deficits raises questions about the priorities of the administration," a report on public relations spending by the Democratic staff of the house government reform committee said.
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The Patriot Act was signed into Congress on Oct 26, 2001. This includes the above wiretapping and other "sneak and peak" areas for suspected terrorists.No they were not. Congress mandates wire tapes be authorized by judicial oversight. These were not.
Again, when and were has this act, ever infringed on your rights?
Just curious?
Technically your right, its a military engagement. The President does not need not an act of Congress btw for a military engagement and some legally would even say a Offical State of War.When did Congress declare war?
But if you don't think two sides are at war then the context of the topic becomes almost mute. Maybe it would of been better if I said suspect terrorists instead of War Prisoners but in the end these are not U.S. citizens for the most part anyway, so the same rights do not apply.
But as you already know, the Senate voted to Authorise the use of the United States Armed forces against Iraq. It was offically voted on, we are there, it's a war, one the Islamic world has been declaring on the West for a long time.
You seem to be using "two" different contexts for torture, one is an act of nasty prison guards, which btw is not even close to officall sanctioned torture, and then their is approved interogation methods.I guess sticking lightbulbs in people's @sses is OK? Having dogs attack them?
Which is it?
BTW-On a personal level, I could really give a f@ck that some ******* who cheered on 9/11 has a lightbuld shoved up his a$$.
That above statement still stand, people investigate crap all the time, let's be reall, tell their is proof then it is what it is, just more bunk.Zero real proof on this whatsoever
I 110% agree man, but you did not answer the question. When did this ever happen to you, or for that matter anyone you know, in context to what we are booth talking about.If it happens in America AT ALL, it's a d@mn shame.
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