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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    Not too mention, america is ridiculous in it's implementation of its so called war on drugs. I somewhat agree on this point, the prohibition of drugs creates a black market and therefore more crime, but legalizing some drugs is unrealistic (exception being marijuana)
    the stats are through the roof ridiculous on this level.

    Dave, the fact that you resort to rhetoric and name calling is indicative of an oncoming down-spiral of the ross-rant tm, I saw him posting facts without name calling, I suggest you reread the posts, because I didn't see anything offensive. Perhaps you want to believe that he is insulting you to be true? so let's agree to disagree because i am sure as sh1t not going on an internet trail blaze to show you data when all you are gonna do is not recognize it for what it is.
    the real point is that in the so called richest land in all the world, where human rights are the foundation supposedly and freedom is the way of life, there is a full 1% of the citizenry in prison for crimes in some cases that are heinous of course, but also for small petty crimes that are non-violent and non-threatening to anything but the seat of control and power. Again, prisons are crowded with drug dealers, murderers, rapists, and repeat offenders. Crowded prisons means that petty criminals are, in fact, released prematurely.
    people need to get with it and realize that the government is YOUR employee, that cop works for YOU on YOUR dime. Cops serve me and make the streets of my city and country safer. I salute the majority of them for a difficult job well done. There are certainly corrupt or bad cops, but that's the small minority. Freedom is more than part of a catchphrase on a bumper sticker.

    Executing 1 person wrongly is 1 person too many. I don't disagree, but mistakes happen, even with a good system.
    Jailing one person errantly and destroying their life is wrong and indicative of a greater problem. Every nation/state in the history of humankind has done this, so nobody has created a perfect method of dealing with crime/national security yet???
    If you think there's no problem, then YOU are the problem.

    Well, I agree there are problems, and alway will be problems, but I think everything is pretty dam good! Am I the problem?
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    Bless you

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    The "arrest" is followed by taking them to a shelter, where they are fed, and given a bed in a heated house for the night
    not to get all liberal and tree-hugging, but, having worked in the field a bit, there were reasons that a not insiginificant number of homeless people chose to brave the cold as opposed to taking advantage of the shelter system (e.g. - verbal / physical abuse by staff / fellow "borders", having things stolen, less than santitary conditions); mind you, it's not across the board, just saying that, like everything, there are pluses (e.g. - not freezing to death, being "lucky " enough to get into a shelter that was well run) and negatives (e.g. - getting beaten up / robbed)

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    oh, here we go

    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post

    Not too mention, america is ridiculous in it's implementation of its so called war on drugs.
    so, basicly, since your claims don't stand up to scrutiny, you want to change the subject?

    So, which is it you want to talk about? Your claim that being poor can put you in jail or how the war on drugs is unfair?

    Of course, one wonders what you find some amicable about taking drugs, selling drugs and being a drug addict?

    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post

    Dave, the fact that you resort to rhetoric and name calling is indicative of an oncoming down-spiral of the ross-rant tm, blah blah blah
    You're bait and switch approch is wearing thin... it's very clear what is going on here. You made claims, we called you on them, you couldn't support them.

    What percentage of Americans are in "jail" for not paying taxes?
    How many Americans are in jail for "sleeping under a bridge"?
    How many Americans of Arab descent have been arrested JUST for being Arab?

    All perfectly valid questions based upon your earlier assertions

    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post

    so let's agree to disagree
    The last refuge of a man who can't defend his initial argument LOL!


    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post

    the real point is that in the so called richest land in all the world, where human rights are the foundation supposedly and freedom is the way of life, there (edited) citizenry in prison for (edited) small petty crimes that are non-violent
    1) You haven't at all established that any of the "crimes" you claim will get you put in jail will in fact do that

    2) this is a strategic retreat where now you want to complain that people are being put in prison for "small petty crimes that are non-violent"

    How old are you? That's a serious question. I've always assumed you are an adult, now I'm really not sure? Grow up. A crime is a crime. No one makes you committ one, no matter what your circumstances. There are tons of poor people who don't commit crimes.

    Selling drugs isn't a "non violent" crime. Drugs are responsible for much of the violence on the streets and for ruining many families and for many DEATHS

    Really, grow up
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    well, like LKFMDC - he's a genuine Kung Fu Hero™
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    As much as I get annoyed when it gets derailed by the array of strange angry people that hover around him like moths, his good posts are some of my favorites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjurakpt View Post
    not to get all liberal and tree-hugging, but, having worked in the field a bit, there were reasons that a not insiginificant number of homeless people chose to brave the cold as opposed to taking advantage of the shelter system (e.g. - verbal / physical abuse by staff / fellow "borders", having things stolen, less than santitary conditions); mind you, it's not across the board, just saying that, like everything, there are pluses (e.g. - not freezing to death, being "lucky " enough to get into a shelter that was well run) and negatives (e.g. - getting beaten up / robbed)
    Chris, before my first semester at NYU (ie when dinosaurs roamed the earth) I did an internship at HPD. I am aware of those issues of course

    But in the context of this discussion, the fact remains that vagrancy is NOT used to arrest someone to put them in "JAIL". It just doesn't happen. They are sent to shelters. If you want to argue for shelter reform, that's a valid but separate topic

    We're just refuting the false claims that are being made here
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    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post
    well, like LKFMDC - he's a genuine Kung Fu Hero™
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    As much as I get annoyed when it gets derailed by the array of strange angry people that hover around him like moths, his good posts are some of my favorites.
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    I think he goes into a cave to meditate and recharge his chi...and bite the heads off of bats, of course....

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    As long as this is still legal in that states, they are ok by me
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    As long as this is still legal in that states, they are ok by me
    You sir, would make one fine American!
    Bless you

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    As long as this is still legal in that states, they are ok by me
    Not only are those legal, but required.

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    Even when understated:
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    .......The only thing that outshines the prolific number of posts you have is your egoism and sense of self worth.
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    David Jamieson Posts: 9,416

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    Hmmmm..... 9416 / 6455 = 1.458..........?

    Sez the guy with 45.8% more posts........

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    Even then, most likely they will put a "lean" on your property......
    The IRS uses a "lien".
    I think it's still "da mob" what "leans" on folks......

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    Again, please explain how being "homeless" will get you arrested and put in prison in the US. That one should be good
    He can't. Like most of the other socialist nonsense he whines about with such poet like grace, its almost all bullsh!t

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakxierboxer View Post
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    Hmmmm..... 9416 / 6455 = 1.458..........?

    Sez the guy with 45.8% more posts........
    Oh, and you know it only gets better.... I have always been just "LKFMDC" so that post count is ALL of my posts for as long as I have been here. He was "Kung Lek" before (wasn't he?) so you'd have to add all THOSE posts to the number!
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    As much as I get annoyed when it gets derailed by the array of strange angry people that hover around him like moths, his good posts are some of my favorites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    Oh, and you know it only gets better.... I have always been just "LKFMDC" so that post count is ALL of my posts for as long as I have been here. He was "Kung Lek" before (wasn't he?) so you'd have to add all THOSE posts to the number!
    I wouldn't know about all of THAT "pre-history"....
    I'm a newbie.... here.

    OTOH, in some respects, your own recent claim to a Triassic(?) history at NYU is relative Johnny-come-lately stuff.... although one of your erstwhile training buddies seems to have some kind of link to the Jurassic.....?

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    You want to reduce the prison population dramatically?

    Legalize it. Tax it.

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