1 in very 100 adults is in jail

[bakxierboxer]

You want to reduce the prison population dramatically?

Legalize it. Tax it.

Even better might be a "plan" to use "capitalist principles" within the prison system.

Prisoners are said to have "a debt to society".
Put a dollar value on it.
Put a dollar value on their incarceration/"up-keep".
Allow them to earn an income based on whatever they're capable of doing (that's legal).
Deduct the cost of incarceration/"up-keep".
(they can also choose to pay for more up-scale "accommodations")
(probably lengthening their "stay")
Apply whatever is left to reducing their "debt to society".
Apply accounting principals to determine if they can pay for their up-keep AND pay off their debt within their expected term of imprisonment/life-span.
If they can't.... well, that's simply making themselves "a bad investment".....

[Drake]

I bet the problem would ease if people just took some personal accountability for their actions and STOPPED BREAKING THE LAW. You are IMPRISONED for BREAKING THE LAW. Not being hungry, not being homeless, not angry about taxes, not for finding legal recourse to their problems.

As for the arab comment... that was just f^&*ing stupid. Stop shooting from the mouth and give me some statistics on how unjust our system is, despite the fact that courts are designed to protect the accused, many times moreso than the victim.

If somone dodges taxes, steals, or otherwise commits a crime, we suffer. Funny how we paint them as the victims when we are the victims of their actions.

[bakxierboxer]

I bet the problem would ease if people just took some personal accountability for their actions and STOPPED BREAKING THE LAW. You are IMPRISONED for BREAKING THE LAW.

That sounds altogether too.... too...... well, LOGICAL to ever be a "popular solution"........

That last idea I put forth was more in the line of "re-education"..... for those already confined.

[Matrix]

Not too mention, america is ridiculous in it's implementation of its so called war on drugs.

I think you need to look in your own back yard before you judge your neighbour.

Bill

[David Jamieson]

yes well aren't we all just offended and ready to attack when america gets called out for jailing 1% of it's citizens. Look guys, i'm not gonna do your research for you, but if you think everything is rosy and peachy, well then you just live in it.

I mean, you have to don't you, so what are you gonna do anyway. I would say that like typical americans, you'll do nothing.

regards

ps dave, my posts as kung leka nd my posts as me are combined, I merely had my name changed.

unlike yourself, who makes fake accounts to sling mud, I've always had the same account, so lets not be too hasty in our math here. Me+ Kung Lek = same amount of posts because all are the same account.

also I'm not surprised that the usual suspects are just desperate to wade into the minutia about me. I'm flattered. wow.

[Seppukku]

That is just a sign that there are too many laws in the USA.

Let's just make laws illegal.

[David Jamieson]

LMFAO, man, you've really lost your mind.....



LMFAO, NO, not at all. First they'll harass you for the money. Then they'll put a lean on your propoerty or attach your bank accounts. Please cite a statistic for anyone in JAIL for not paying taxes. My bet would be it will be less than 1%.....



Pathetic liberal double talk. First of all, NO ONE has ever gone to jail for sleeping under a bridge, or on the street. If you lived in NYC for more than 10 seconds you'd know that.

If you STEAL, yes you might spend a night in jail. That's because STEALING IS A CRIME



1) First, look up the details and the facts.
2) Look up "contributing to the delinquency of a minor



You found one name, and even that case (which I am familiar with) hardly consititutes "going to jail for looking (or being) an Arab"

When you make financial contributions to a suspected terrorist cell, are recorded making phone calls to known terrorists, have been picture meeting known terrorists, you will be picked up for, now pay attention, being a terrorist

The police arent' exactly roaming the streets of the US picking up Arabs randomly. My wife's best friend is Afghani, she's never been stopped, detained, questioned or even approached in 30 plus years of her life here in the US. That's ONE NAME for you

here is an example of where you are given information and you reject it.
You do this very often. In some cases, you're legit in doing so, in many others, you are pretty much wrong.

But whatever dave, if you like to see words changed in order to make the crime fit, then fine. That's just how your head works.

Let's see now, we can't jail a guy for being homeless, but we can jail him for vagrancy or loitering, so that removes the homeless from the equation and makes the guy illegal, well alright I feel better about jailing him now.

You fail to see the problem with that circle of logic don't you dave.

Harar wasn't the only one shipped off to torture by homeland security, in fact, it's a pretty safe bet there are a lot of guys who just won't ever be known about, but you're ok with that because hey, it's your america and you're proud of it and wave that flag wave it! Wave it while the cia / pentagon plane shuttles a couple of other arab americans off to some country for their waterboarding because they were suspicious.

If you cannot see fault in yourself, you will consistently fail to render the fault inert.

whatever though, wave your flags and eat your burgers, watch your tv and remain asleep.

don't stand up for yourselves though and continue to remain as silent as you can except for places like this which are tantamount to useless when driving any change whatsoever. When's the last time any one of you guys wrote a letter to your congressman?

yep, it;'s just peachy down there isn't it.

[Seppukku]

Fine, we're all coming to Canada. Oh, and we're not going to pay taxes to your govt. and we'll all take up those pert Canadian jobs, and we'll wreck your economy. But hey....you'll all get free healtcare. It'll be the only thing you can afford.



DEATH TO CANUCKS!

[David Jamieson]

sorry, we can't let you in for a couple of reasons.

also, I don't think I'm championing Canada as any sort of model, it's not. It's an antiquated little colonial place that is quaint and nice until it gets down to brass tacks and if you rouse the current oligarchy, they will be angered, debate, call an enquiry then find a way to silence you or stain your character.

that's the kind of vicious backbiting grubs we have in our political chambers here.
that and we are essentially supplicants to britain though half of us haven't a clue about it because our government, like yours doesn't work for it's citizenry, it works for itself and merely uses the citizenry to now and then validate mandates and agendas that the parties decide are the direction we should go.

In fact, you can't even start a political party in Canada without a measure of wealth that is beyond the average canadian. Not just anyone can be involved in politics. you absolutely have to be economically elite here. If you can't come up with a million bucks in support, then you cannot be allowed to speak on behalf of the people in your community. and so, economically difficult areas have no voice. we also practice apartheid here with our indian act and reservation system and we still are beholden to the vatican and have public tax dollars paying into a catholic school system across the country.

americas failures directly effect canadians as well because americans buy 80% of everything we have to sell. so because your economy is failing and hemorrhaging badly under the ineptitudes of the bush/cheney admin, more than 100,000 canadian jobs have been lost in th manufacturing sector.

This gap in and of itself will create desperation and in turn create criminals who have to feed their families and find that th social safety net is not everything they thought it could be because it was not designed to take in such a huge influx of people all at once.

anyway, i love how some of you guys toss about the word "socialist" like it is equivalent to "rapist". that is some nice errors in thinking. But anyway, I feel this entire thread exercise is like trying to teach monkeys quantum physics, it's a waste of time because the monkeys won't ever get it and they certainly don't want to sit there all bored when they can be tossing sh1t around or wanking!

[Seppukku]

americas failures directly effect canadians as well because americans buy 80% of everything we have to sell. so because your economy is failing and hemorrhaging badly under the ineptitudes of the bush/cheney admin, more than 100,000 canadian jobs have been lost in th manufacturing sector.

You're just mad because you're not getting an economic stimulus check. But I'll tell you what, when I get my 600 dollars, I'll send you five so you can buy yourself a beer.

[David Jamieson]

I'm mad because my dollar is worth more than yours and because of that, you won't buy any manufactured or raw materials from us.

i don't really care about more of George Bushes obfuscations and bumbling trying to look like something different than the asshat he really is.

[David Jamieson]

for dave-

"Wednesday, April 25, 2007
Tax Evader Sentenced to 63 Months in Prison

Earlier today a federal judge sentenced convicted tax evader Elaine Brown to 63 months in prison. She and her husband Ed Brown were both convicted of tax evasion. "

lets call it evasion and then it's not jailing someone for debt!

[David Jamieson]

for dave-

"Although not a crime, being homeless may be the end result of many underlying social problems which may lead to criminal activity. Officers are now encouraged by policy to consider alternatives to arrest to resolve problems involving the homeless. Through a COPS Problem-Solving Grant, community oriented police officers began to work with the Broward Outreach Center, a local facility for homeless people who want to become self-reliant. As a result of this effort, a municipal ordinance was re-drafted to address the issue of sleeping in public. In a first of it's kind ordinance, officers are now mandated to offer a person an alternative to arrest for sleeping in public. That alternative is for the person to check his or herself into Broward Outreach Center for the homeless. It has been determined that simply by making arrests, problems associated with being homeless will not be solved. By giving the homeless "mandated," exposure to the Outreach Center where they are provided the necessities of life until they can become self-sufficient, it is hoped that the homeless population in Hollywood will decrease."


see how this explains that in that area, people were being arrested for loitering etc which are catch pits for homelessness.

[David Jamieson]

for dave-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3067317/

[David Jamieson]

for dave - related to "the war on drugs" 1 in 50 american kids has a parent in jail. Mostly this speaks to the problems with substance abuse and the symptoms and results of poverty.

If you want to deal with pinpoints of minutia, then the point overall is lost on you and there needn't be any further discussion around this problem.

http://general-medicine.jwatch.org/c...ion/1993/914/7

if you are ok with people being jailed left and right and huge masses of criminals being created with the stroke of bushies pen then ok, live in it. But don't sit there and deny the problem because that totally makes you look like an ass.