Iron Palm/Body training pros and cons

[xcakid]

OK, I will ask the experts here. Perhaps Mr Dugas can shed some light too.

What are the pros and cons of this type of training? We all know that if not done right it can be a detrement to you. But what other effects can it have short and long term? How does it affect the health of a martial artist overall considering it is done correctly?

[sanjuro_ronin]

OK, I will ask the experts here. Perhaps Mr Dugas can shed some light too.

What are the pros and cons of this type of training? We all know that if not done right it can be a detrement to you. But what other effects can it have short and long term? How does it affect the health of a martial artist overall considering it is done correctly?

What have you heard?

[Broken Fist]

Pros
Strengthen Hands, Arms, Bones, Increased muscle in hands and arms.

Teaches you to strike correctly/Follow through with strike/Transmit your energy effectively into your target.

Fun as hell

Cons
If your a moron and train wrong you can end up with seriously messed hands.
Time it takes to practice.

Training it wont make you invincible, time is better spent training if your chosen art, once you gain good enough skill in the art then you can think about adding supplemental training like this to your routine.

That's just my view point on this. I used to train Iron Palm for an hour and a half every night and attained pretty high skill level with it but found it to be quite useless when the person your fighting against has much higher fighting ability than yourself. That and school/work got in the way, also my girlfriend complained when I slapped her ass lol but my time has freed up again so I may go back to training this.

[Black Jack II]

Strengthen Hands, Arms, Bones, Increased muscle in hands and arms

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I bet a person can not find ONE scientific study to validate any of the above.

[TenTigers]

Wolf's Law states that gradual and continuous stress placed upon a bone will result in incresed bone density. This is exactly what Iron Palm training is.

[Lucas]

Who needs scientific study when you can find a master of iron fist and just see for yourself....

just because science has not devoted the time to study iron fist methods does not mean it does not exist....the world isnt flat anymore either.

[sanjuro_ronin]

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I bet a person can not find ONE scientific study to validate any of the above.

Well, I had an x-ray done before my Ip and then 6 months after, and there was "noticable differences in bone density", according tot he technician.
Haven't done one since though.
Of course he didn't notice it off the bat, he was looking at the healing process of a finger I had dislocated a year or so before that ( my excuse for the x-ray), as he was looking I asked him if he noticed any difference in my before and after pics in regards to the bones, and after closer scrutinty he remarked on the bone density, funny he asked me if I had started working a jack hammer for work.
Again, this is after only 6 months.

Not "pure" scientific, but good enough for me.

[sanjuro_ronin]

FYI:

http://www.maniacworld.com/karate-ch...ow-motion.html

Goos reason to do IP.

[Lucas]

someone should take 3 people that have studied Iron Fist/Palm training for 10 years or more, then 3 martial artists who have never studied IP.

set up something they can hit that will gague the force issued with a punch.

Have the punching point be done on iron or steel plate

see who can hit it harder

[Egg fu young]

also my girlfriend complained when I slapped her ass .

She liked it when I did it but then again I'm a Tai Chi guy

[Broken Fist]

She liked it when I did it but then again I'm a Tai Chi guy

That's what you think. It was actually me in disguise!

[Broken Fist]

Black Jack have you ever trained in Iron Palm before? Have you met anyone who has trained this way? Why discredit something simply because some dude in a lab hasn't come out with a report on it?

Test it out for yourself, you can get pretty good results within a month depending on how you train. Not sure if you'll be able to break bricks within that time frame but your striking power will increase and you'll notice that instead of making a huge movement you'll only need half the distance to strike just as hard.

If not thats cool its your opinion and I'm not out to try and change it

[Dale Dugas]

OK, I will ask the experts here. Perhaps Mr Dugas can shed some light too.

What are the pros and cons of this type of training? We all know that if not done right it can be a detrement to you. But what other effects can it have short and long term? How does it affect the health of a martial artist overall considering it is done correctly?

There are some very nice pros the number one being you are carrying around a nice weapon that can never be taken from you unless someone hacks your hands off.

Carrying weapons can be illegal in some places and having the ability to defend yourself with your palms is not bad.

Also you will learn to control your mind, your health as well as learn to rid your body of excessive tension and learn to connect through your structure to the ground.

You can double your striking power through this not through hitting the bag, hitting the bag helps to condition the hands but you are learning to move through the correct structure and bring energy from the earth through you into someone else or something(bricks, etc...)

The cons are slight if you train correctly.

My teacher told me the worst thing for him was trying to pick up a paper clip off a freshly waxed linoleum floor. Too me that is what magnets are for.

You have to be careful with your kids, wives/husbands, and pets. You can hurt them without thinking once you have charged/trained your hands.

Let me know if there are any other questions.