Big Trouble in China

**Samurai Jack** · 03-19-2008, 03:32 AM

Hello all,

It's been a while since I posted, but since no one seems to have started a discussion...

Does anyone have any thoughts on the situation in Tibet? Apparently there are worldwide protests going on right now, including riots in Chicago, New York, and Washington D.C.

How can this have crept under the KFM radar?

http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/sear...&Search=Search

http://search.cnn.com/search?query=t...ate&intl=false

http://www.ibnlive.com/cfs/blog/50552/1741

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv...WEN20080044410

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...coc&refer=home

http://www.bangkokpost.com/sportsplu....php?id=126606

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbi...lobal+business

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...jFsTF34m_N8EUw

http://www.agi.it/world/news/2008031...n0079-art.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...63047320080318

**David Jamieson** · 03-19-2008, 05:07 AM

I have heard that the Dalai Lama is threatening to resign as the chief of state of the tibetan government in exile.

**Samurai Jack** · 03-19-2008, 05:26 AM

Yes, according to what I've read, he refuses to act as the leader of a violent movement:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/wo...86b&ei=5087%0A

However, it's important to note that it is at this point unclear who is perpetrating the violence. China has claimed 13 dead at the hands of rioters, while independant reporters have claimed 100 or more "peaceful protestors" were slain by police. Unfortunately, unbiased reports are unlikely, because China has forcibly ejected foreign journalists from Lhasa.

**bodhitree** · 03-19-2008, 05:36 AM

soaring economy may be grounded:
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...sDisaster.aspx

**SPJ** · 03-19-2008, 07:16 AM

from what I heard;

meaning confirmation required.

with olympics coming

some gas/bomb incident increased in tibet?

1. PLA surrounded 3 key cities in tibet or tightening securities.

2. some exile tibetans in india migrating back to tibet despite of india objection.

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**SPJ** · 03-19-2008, 07:21 AM

on the political gestures/signs;

if violences unchecked or out of control in tibet;

security issue for oncoming olympic games for athletes and families will be a great concern for all and not just for chinese governments

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**SPJ** · 03-19-2008, 07:54 PM

people are praying for people in tibet.

another real threat to bei jing olympics is actually sand storms.

the yellow sand from the yellow earth high plains (huang tu gao yuan) will blow all the way to bei jing.

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unrest in tibet was really challenging Hu Jin Tao and Wen Jia Bao.

the 4th gen of CPC or CCP leaders;

Mao-> Deng-> Jiang -> Hu/Wen

Hu actually once a leader/ruled in tibet for sometime. Now Hu is the leader of China.

Hu/Wen or China is challenged with inflation and many economic issues this year and on ward.

Olympics is only a gesture that China remains open to the rest of the world.

since the door was opened by President Nixon in the late 1970's.

"people in one world may have many different dreams"

however, "one world one dream" would be for all athletes to compete for the highest honor on the planet.

let us hope, let olympics games free of political wrestling.

let sports be sports.

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even if it is a money losing venture for hosting the games.

Chinese governments would still do it.

it is true by hosting games that many local people have to suffer fewer resources for drinking water, electricities, and other public utilities, such as phonelines, buses, restaurants, etc

a mighty old capital since mongolian Yuan, it was called Yan Jing.

Ming moved the capital to nan jing, it was called jin ling.

Qing moved back to bei jing.

ROC moved to nan jing.

PRC moved back to bei jing.

anyway, an old capital is hosting the games this year.

I guess we have to say welcome to all visitors.

**SPJ** · 03-19-2008, 09:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVU-B...eature=related

in Hu's new year address;

he mentioned that PRC will continue to seek peaceful unification with Taiwan (my main concern in his talk)

he also mentioned 2008 will mark the 30th anniversary of opening China since 1978.

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in the end, he said China will welcome all visitors to the olympics and paralympics games.

just cited his speech as quotes.

**diego** · 03-19-2008, 10:00 PM

SPJ, is it true some villagers are starving in China?.

**BoulderDawg** · 03-19-2008, 11:15 PM

I've had chances to go to China in the last few years and I got can't bring myself to go. I will not support the economy of a country with such severe human right violations........and they talk about Cuba!

Anyway the Chinese need to clear out of Tibet right now. Let the rightful government take it place in Tibet.

Olympics:

I'm against a boycott because it penalizes the athele. However it I was there I would participate in my sport....but I would not be in the opening or closing ceremonies.

**firepalm** · 03-20-2008, 01:01 AM

This is a tough issue & a tragic one but China did not invade another country & take it over as in Tibet. Tibet has been a part of China for over a thousand years, not only 50 years like Richard Gere, celebrity pawn, would have you believe. For a very short time in the early 1900s the Brits controlled Tibet and did many bad things to the Tibetan people. Tibetans have long been considered one of China's 56 Ethnic Minority groups. China is not an innocent in this by any means but what the media in the West is not showing is the violent actions being done by Tibetans to tourists, Chinese, Hui Muslim people, etc... One of the beauties of Youtube right now is the ability to get more info then just the propaganda filtered crap that goes out on CNN.

True Tibetan History http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fruuxoDQpSc ; a great eye opening little radio interview with supportive pictures on Tibet & the Dalai Lama.

CIA in Tibet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOhDBo6x2ZY Your US Gov't at work in Tibet

The truth of free Tibet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtTmBrfujsA a very compelling video

Free Tibet! The real truth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=L6XD5A7-Fqg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SySbjQpzEII

Riot in Tibet: True face of western media http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas

OPPRESSED MONKS IN TIBET http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ctrPH4ehR0

In the very least it gives you something to think about. But then again maybe it's just another job for the US World Police F>>K YEH!

**sanjuro_ronin** · 03-20-2008, 04:23 AM

FYI:

Big Trouble in Little China was the greatest movie ever made !!

"Have you paid your dues jack?"
" Yes sir, the check is in the mail !"

**SPJ** · 03-20-2008, 07:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6FoW...eature=related

a song about jiu zhai gou, northern si chuan.

many tibetans lived in many nearby provinces.

I luv the tibetan culture, buddhism, people and the land.

except that the migrating people do not take a bath or shower for a long time if ever.