Big Trouble in China

[Samurai Jack]

Perhaps not carefully crafted enough:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3630653.ece

[SPJ]

some hear say and comments;

1. Lhasa is the most "watched" or "guarded" city in China.

there are agents and counter agents everywhere or under cover police, inside and out side of the temple.

soldiers of PLA outnumber local residents.

2. the temple is holy ground for pilgrims. it is sacred for local people, IT IS NOT A TOURIST attraction. non believers no need to visit.

on the other hand, Shao Lin is showcased and tourists welcome.

3. We may read all the medias. however, we have to form or reserve our conclusions.

a. the brave monks shouting and risking arraignment.

and yes, the shouting may relieve the idea that da lai la ma being the mastermind behind the recent "incident".

it is worth a "try".

b. recent chinese media blaming da lai la ma for the incident. it is to pressure him to exert his influence to pacify or quiet local people. Chinese does not have evidence to link him to the incident.

in short, some times we see things but things may have meanings beyond their appearances.

c. each government will "show" its response but falling short of boycotting the games. it is to pressure Chinese to resolve the incident peacefully, b/c we are watching closely.

d. everyone is reading or watching Chinese affairs, most of us are aware of the tibetant people cause since 1950.

I have many relatives from Yun Nan. I am familiar with tibetan, miao, bai yi etc. I luv the culture, the people and the land.--

however, politics is always politics.

it is a never ending story. no matter what structure or society, there will always be a group of people in power, and others under rule or "oppressed".

e. Cultural revolution, it was not only against old culture of China and tibet.

it was a class struggle. farmers, workers, and soldiers leading the society, the capitalists, the rich, land owners, -- have to be ruled by them,

f. 30 years of reforms and opening doors.

teachers are respected again and earn a higher salary. confuscious birthday is honored, --

in contrast to closure of college, teachers go to country side and learn farming, the students do whatever except going to class (red guards) from 1966-1976.

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for me, the welfare of most of the people would be our primary concern and not those of the few or "privillaged".

the world is for all the people and not just a few.

Tian Xia Wei Gong.

Tian Xia Wei Tian Xia Ren Zhi Tian Xia.

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in short I am against the political leaders/party that worry about their power and not the welfare of the people.

whatever it is best for most of the people, I am for it.

oops, it is the concept of democrasy.

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end of rants.

[David Jamieson]

Let me put it this way.

Canada faced insurrection from Quebec in the 1970's with the FLQ crisis and a militant separatist group. there was a kidnapping and a murder and finally, the most liberal of all liberal leaders ever P.E Trudeau declared Martial Law, sent the army in and stopped the separatists.

is Canada like China and Tibet in that respect? You bet, and that's why we still have an issue with separatists today in Canada who want an independent and sovereign Quebec. Since that time, we've had what are called referendums on the matter, we've had a huge outpouring of Anglophiles from Quebec in the 80's and businesses moved away from Quebec in Droves at the time. there was violence, there was murder, there was soldiers in the street. i remember it quite clearly.

We still have a united country and Quebec is part of Canada and I am happy that this is so because despite the cultural differences in Quebec, I consider them Canadian and absolutely necessary to the defining of this Country as what it is.

Does that make me evil? To some Quebecois, it sure does. I can live with that.

China is a huge country, it has huge issues and the looks we give it on this matter are hardly glances. In our well practiced hypocrisy, we forget that we have filth and stains on our own countries records that we should probably deal with before taking up the vague causes of militant outsiders that are more than likely funded by groups who have an interest in the further political blemishing of a given government.

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t04ZN...eature=related

a song about the railway linking Qing Hai to Tibet.

it is called the road of the heaven or tian lu.

it is sang by Basang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Q4r...eature=related

a song about the qing hai/tibet plateau.

it is also by Basang.

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5ytR...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNqK2...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcsVU...eature=related

the railway was originally planned by Dr. Sun Yet Sen.

the founding father of the republic.

the idea about the republic of China was founded on the peace and harmony among five major ethnics (han, manchurian, mongolian, moslems and tibetans) and many and many minorites living and prospering together.

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[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onB7p...eature=related

[golden arhat]

would ANYONE want to own tibet ?

look at the place

its just mountains its not like its vital to china is it



of all the countries you would want to annexe
why tibet ?

[SPJ]

with inflation, and both housing price and stock market soared in China in 2007.

the government is trying to "manage" or "regulate" economy.

the GPD growth rate will slow down to around 10% this year.

with the rise of ren ming bi, China export to US is slowing down.

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olympic games should be de politicised.

Zhang Yi Mou's idea of artistic performance (about 57 min program) in the opening ceremony.

He said it would involve over 10,000 people.

it would show how Chinese people come and live together over 5000 years,

how we are all the same or one together.

not just the Chinese but the whole world is like a one big family.

we are all the same, etc etc.

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5000 years of history, wow, that is a lot to cover in a hour.

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we shall see.

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq1wt8nOYAg

a very good documentary about gui lin.

directed by Zhang.

[SPJ]

would ANYONE want to own tibet ?

look at the place

its just mountains its not like its vital to china is it



of all the countries you would want to annexe
why tibet ?

tibet and china are together since yuan (mongolian) dynasty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Dynasty

ming

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_Dynasty


qing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_Dynasty

ROC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ublic_of_China

then PRC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ublic_of_China

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[sanjuro_ronin]

What has the fall of the Soviet Union taught us?
Was it sanctions and military threats that brought down the "iron curtain"?
No.
Tibet just needs to bide its time and appeal to the Masses and eventually and quite painlessly, they will get what they want.
An old chinese proverb:
If you live long enough, you will see the bodies of your enemies float down the river.
Or somethign liek that.
Has China ever been forced to do anything?
This will just come back to bite Tibet on the butt.
Smarter move is to allow China to get closer and closer to the international market and when the inevitable changes happen, take advantage of them then.

[SPJ]

yes politics is like the wind or tide, it comes and goes.

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yes, when the soviet bloc became dissipated in 1989.

Chinese securities were tightened, they called it su dong po.

to prevent the wave/tide from the east/soviet.

su is short for soviet.

dong is east.

po is wave.

sure enough, that was the last big uprising in tibet 20 years ago.

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today the wind blows east, tommorrow the wind may blow west.

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yes, more and more autonomy and democrasy or political freedoms will come for people in China.

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[GeneChing]

The biggest reason for China is a matter of national pride - of face, if you will. To China, face is everything. This is what makes this controversy absolutely fascinating. China was looking forward to the Olympics as an unprecedented way to show face. Instead, China is showing its ass. It's such a complicated issue.

Beyond the historic need to keep Tibet as part of China, there are other theories about its strategic utility. An outstanding one is this - Tibet could be the highest nuclear launch pad in the world. Of course, after Reagan introduced SDI (Star Wars), the altitude of a nuclear launch pad is somewhat obsolete (and China continues to develop its space program) but then again, many believe the notion of big dams is obsolete.

There is an even darker side, China's hardline, if you will. Tibet was ruled by the monastic class, and despite the compassion of the present Dalai Lama, this was by many accounts, a slavery-based society.

I'm supposed to cover the torch's visit to S.F. (the only North American stop, I think) in two weeks. There will be a martial arts demonstration as part of the festivities. It's a story that's really bigger than our publications in a way. Of course, we've supported the Beijing Olympics. I daresay we've monitored the progress of wushu as an Olympic event better than anyone in English. I'll have more for you on this later...

[Samurai Jack]

More articles for the interested:

European Union discusses boycott.

China reverses decision on foreign diplomats.

Diplomats concerned about "stage managed" tour.

Should you boycott the Olympics?

[SPJ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_unrest_in_Tibet

info from wi ki or wei qi

inflation is not only a problem in tibet.

it is all over china.

and of course the effects hit harder on poorer people in the far west of China.

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