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  1. #1
    prana Guest

    Dream, sleep meditation

    I have had a smallish realisation last night.

    But this question aims at anyone who is interested in Qi-Gong or practises energy controls of other sorts. Wongsifu, Repulsive Monkey, ABandit, Fish, Mantis, and others I have left out....

    When sleeping with the mind set at the mid heart, I am unable to get to sleep properly. Dreams are lacking, even sleep is fairly hard to come by. Usually the mind returns to its monkey state before I am able to fall asleep.

    When sleeping, with the mind at the throat behind the adams apple, the mind sleeps with strong recollection of dreams. Perhaps this is the gateway to lucid dreaming, and the ability to recognise dreams.

    A dumb dream, such as todays, a lizard decapitates a persons head with a sword. It then comes after me at a ferocious pace. I duck, and it lands, and again I follow it out of curiosity. I see it at the corner, it comes at me again, this time at my leg. I am shaken, fight it, and wake up in fear, that I am to be decapitated.

    A dumb dream to most/all of you, but to me, a constant reminder of the torment a human being has to traverse in the path of death. In fear, one runs from the creatures that are out to kill you, a highly modified creature of the current/many past lifes, coming back to haunt you, creatures you are inclined to be curious, hurt, kill manifesting in its evil states. Or the constant attachment, the curiosity to watch this lizard, and hence causing this collapse into the lower states of mind, fear whatever. Remember this is how your karma is manifests, and the state of your mind at the end of this life, gives rise to the next.

    So what does Qi-Gong have to say. Energy at your throats, heart ?

    *** Again this question does not apply to anyone who is disinterested in Qi-Gong, I mean to offense if it is offensive in nature to anyone.

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    Repulsive Monkey Guest

    Prana

    Yep, from the Tibetan traditions this is an abo****e practice. When going to sleep bringing the mind to settle on the throat energy centre WILL make you have lucid and vivid dreams, as this centre, as well as cultivating Clairaudience, general expresses emotions that one needs to voice, and does so in your dreams. When allowing the mind to reside in your heart centre when going to sleep, it should bring about deep dreamless sleep. What this means is that it doesn't really leave you without dreams at all (becasue everyone dreams every single night fact!), but allows your Shen to return to its natural residency i.e. the heart blood, it is then secured and allows deep undisturbed sleep, so deep in fact that you will awaken without remembering your dreams. The dream you speak of Prana (and I am not dream interpreter by trade!!)could very well be a need you have to express something to yourself on a sensitive level, maybe even spiritual. I have no tools within my knowledge to interpret characters or objects from dreams, I usually do better on feelings in dreams.

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    Nexus Guest

    Dreaming & Meditation

    Prana, very interesting information! I usually do meditation before I go to sleep, mostly standing, but lately I have been doing sitting meditation, and it has a very direct affect on dreaming and remembering them when I awake.

    On the topic of dreams, I had a fascinating one last night.

    I was having one of those restless nights, where I would sleep for an hour and wake up, and I was having dreams during each of these "inbetween hours" but none of them stuck out like the very last one I had.

    I have had some stuffed up sinuses the last few days, and have felt a lot of energy in my upper burner, and have been doing sitting meditation rather then my usual standing before I go to sleep. Anyhoo...

    I just laid back down after using the bathroom and I looked at a dresser by my wall. I then preceded to close my eyes, and suddenly I was looking through my eye-lids. I could see my entire wall, but my eyes were closed, and I could sense that I was using a lot of energy in the upper-burner to do so. I then panned around my room, and was able to make out all the objects in my room, exactly as they are. I was aware of what I was doing in my dream, and though perhaps this was some strange form of astral projection, but I wanted to be sure.

    I have a sibling who usually watches tv in the early mornings, and I decided to look through the wall of my room, onto the other side of it which is the living room where the couches are. I did so, and I saw my sibling lying there with a blanket, and they were changing positions like someone on a couch would be doing to get comfortable. I also saw my mother folding clothes or doing something with her hands at the bottom of the couch.

    I decided during this vision that I was using too much mental energy to do this, as I was feeling somewhat sick and didn't want to drain myself, so I decided to cut it off. I did so, and then opened my eyes and the lights were still off in my room.

    I decided to get up and out of bed and see if my sibling was actually on the couch!

    Everybody happened to still be sleeping...

    Now, beyond what is said above, everything else that could be said about this would be complete interpretation. Was it just a dream? Was I actually in a state of consciousness during this activity? Was I seeing time from the fourth dimmension rather then the third?

    I'd be interested in hearing what anyones interpretation of what I experienced or if you have had similar experiences.

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    prana Guest
    Repulsive Monkey

    Thanks. I do have a good feel about what that dream was about. You see, before I started meditation, I used to witness an olympian shoot lizards down with an air rifle for practise, he proceeded to be quite famous, many gold medals etc.
    It is simply karmic returns, a small glimpse of what happens due to killing of these little creatures.
    I understand better and better, everyday, the teachings of Padma Sambhava in the Book of the dead with these little reflections. Yet I am so extremely far...
    I MUST build the ability to become able to control my behaviour of this bardo body in dreams. I have done it once or twice, but mastery is still a very extremely long road.


    Nexus

    Amazing visions. Might I say lucid magic dream body ? perhaps Bardo body in between sleeping and awaking.
    You sound like you have very good control over your mind. Keep it up. I know someone who has similar experiences. I wonder if he is reading this thread :)

    _________

    Do you guys think it may be beneficial for me to write bits from the Tibetan Book of the dead on the internet ?

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    Mister Hansome Guest

    Just Want To Share

    Once when i was 11, i had a dream where i went to one of those chinese grocery stores; i went in admiring my surroundings and wondering along the aisles, when suddenly a giant crab came from the corner and started to chase me clamping its fierce pincers (the crab was standing upright, akward). So i ran around the store looking around for people and calling for help(i call for help and see many people yet no one came to my aid), it seemed that people thought i was kidding around with the crab. Just as i grabbed my aunts car keys and i ran for the car, as i tried to start the car the ellusive crab started at me. THE CAR WOULDN'T START.

    SUDDENLY.....>

    I woke up......and yet the dream continued, i saw the crab come at me when i closed my eyes and also when i opened them. This really freaked me out. I stubbled to my parents room through feel as i had only vague visions of the hallways as i had flashes of the continuing dream. When i saw my parents i told them a crab is chasing me, they looked at me with weird eyes. They told me to go to the sink and get some cold water, but i told them i am tired from the run and chase of the crab. So they went to the sink filling up the tub; then guided me in. As i went in i saw the dream though the reflection but as i stepped in the visions went away slowing as i put my head in.

    This is probably one of the dream/nightmare i remember with greater detail then the rest; not because its scary but because it's weird, this was the first and only time this happened to me.

    As the night ended i asked my parents to confirm what happened, they confirmed it alright.

    The meaning of these dreams are probably useless now since its been a couple years, now i only have good dreams of happiness (mostly chicks).:)

    I also have dreams where i foresee the future, like seeing a vision where i dwell in a house either than the one current; next i know a few months later it all happens the detail of the house is precise and everything seems deja vu.

    Oh, and that point where every night someone has a dream, it seems to be true i always have a dream; i mostly wake up not remembering the details but i always remember that there was a dream. I guess it is true because when i was smaller i only remember only a few dreams maybe at that age my brain wasn't developed enough to remember them so they just discarded them leaving me clueless on if there was a dream or not.

    Just freaky.

    Just sharing! :D :D

    Real Wisdom comes through experience!

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    Nexus Guest
    Blue Man, very interesting dream. I often ponder on the dream world and its relation to the world perceived by our consciousness. Often the dream world is a reflection of our own, and often it is very distant and abstract.

    I've had three dreams similar to the one you described blue man. The three dreams I had similar to yours were from my childhood, and I will describe them as I remember them below.

    The first one was when I was very young, 4 or so years old. Funny thing is, I hadn't though of it for a long time until you described yours. Basically it goes as follows: I woke up, and sat up and in my door way was two tall figures, thin, but very tall, heads reaching the top of my door frame. Their faces resembled the bernstein bears but their bodies were human. I knew I was awake and was so scared I ran right by them, running under the arm of one which had its arm resting against my door frame. I ran into my bathroom where my mother was drying her hair, and told her all about it. She went back with me, but the bear-people were gone.

    Another time, this one is more silly, I woke up and removed the covers from over my eyes only to see the california rasins dancing in the middle of my room. I was so scared, I threw the covers back over my eyes and hid their awake in my bed for half an hour before I creeped out of bed and went and woke my parents up.


    The third dream, which was more deja vu as you described the last set. First let me say, when I was growing up, my bedroom was directly accross from my parents, so whenever I had bad dreams I would go to my parents. Basically, I had a vision of my body lying on the bed in my room, it was my first out-of-body experience I ever had. Then I saw my body levitating from the bed about 5 feet in the air, and it held their for a few moments. Then it dropped suddenly, very quickly, and I woke up as the body. I got up, and went to try and run into my parents bedroom but halfway accross my own room my legs stopped functioning, I collapsed in an indian crossed-legged position onto the floor. At this point I awoke instantanously from what seemed to be a dream within a dream, got up, ran half-way and the same thing happened. I then awoke another time and this time I made it all the way to my parents room. I was screaming dad, dad, wake up, wake up. My dad woke up, turned over and looked at me, and his face began to melt and mutate. Everything went dark and I woke up a final time again in my bed!

    What was strange at this point in my last dream-within-a-dream sequence was that I was now afraid to go into my parents room for fear that they would mutate and not really be my parents but I was also afraid I was still stuck in the dream-sequence. I waited awake for quite awhile before I left my room after that.

    Thanks Blue Man for your post, it sparked all three of the dreams above from memory. It was interesting to actually type them out and see them here on the forum.

    Any thoughts?

    - Nexus

  7. #7
    TjD Guest

    mind at the throat/heart

    i'm quite interested in this...

    in trying to live in a mindful/concentrated state - i always have trouble going to sleep;
    it seems like i need my mind to wander off and start blabbing to fall asleep, its not what i need when im trying to keep my mind calm and mindful

    by saying your mind at the throat/heart, do you simply mean opening the respective chakra and focusing on it, or actually bringing your mind to rest there?

    if #2, how does one accomplish this?

    i've had luck in the past with lucid dreaming and such things - but the actual process of falling asleep has always been a mystery to me :) anything that could help shed some light on that would definately be appreciated!

    thanks
    travis

    Receive what comes, Escort what leaves, and if there is an opening, rush in

  8. #8
    prana Guest
    It is very difficult, and I have been trying everynight for about a year, and only a few occassions have I been able to do it.

    You need to rest your mind at your throat (just behind the adams apple), and small, (poppy seed size) upright triangle glowing red (some other forms of yoga say it is blue).

    Otherwise, you need to rest your mind at your heart center. It is a semi-circle, size of a poppy-seed, and glowing sky blue in colour.

    When resting your mind, you are not seeing it with your eyes (like looking down from it), but merely easing your mind into & merging with it. So when you achieve it, you will be looking out from it as opposed to looking into it,

    If you try too hard, you cant fall asleep. If you dont cencentrate enough, your mind wanders. If you can, you need to just relax in it, but it is extremely difficult (at least for me).

    With bringing attention to your throat, sometimes it is simpler to begin this focus between a deep sleep and dream sleep, that is, if you are awaken at 4am, and returning to sleep.

    With the heart center, bring your attention to it at the beginning of going to sleep.

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    Nexus Guest
    Tjd, I recommend doing 10-15 minutes of sitting meditation before you go to sleep. Then when you lie down, concentrate on your breathing as if you were meditating while lying down. It is often said that people should not meditate while lying down if they do not wish to fall asleep, and trust me, before you know it, you are sleeping.

    I used to have trouble getting to sleep as well, until one night after meditation I decided to lie down and focus on the breath. So I focus on the breath until I fall sleep, and it usually only takes 15-30 breaths, although I've never managed to keep count as I keep falling asleep right at the end :)

    - Nexus

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    mantis108 Guest

    Different types of dreams

    Yet another interesting thread. :)

    IMHO, there are different types of dreams that have different functions. I can share 4 different types based on my own experiences:

    1) Dreams that felt real (almost physical experience): I had this one dream of having an audience in Heaven with General Kwan (Kwan Gung), who worn a white robe (so did I). The feeling was that I was sort of in trial and finally get kick out (literally). I fell and could feel the clouds beside me. Finally, when I saw a bright light (the earth in energy form), I closed my eyes and I when head (crown) down. The immense pain woke me. I had a collision with the head board! (LOL...) I had this dream when I was a kid and until today I have no clue what this mean but that it's very very "physical". So this would be a dream that seems real but not much revelation.

    2)Dream that actually came true: I had this dream that I was on a date with my first love piror to the real date. The sequence of events happened exactlly the same in the dream (minus the details of the background picture) within couple of weeks. That's the freakish yet of all dreams. Exact people, exact location, and exact events. So this would be dream that is Karmic.

    3)Dream that forth warn future: I had this dream that I was chased by 7 rats (a sign of financial trouble that lasted 7 years long). I was finally saved by a Bodhidharma look a like who slayed the biggest and the toughest of the rats; hence, I was saved. For 7 years, I was in constant financial trouble. But after that I was doing fine.

    4)The dreams which the body communicate its status: Dram about loosing a tooth (quite bloody), and I came down with a major flud that lasted more than a month. Piror to that I was health as a horse, I might have sniffle for an afternoon but by night I would be fine. BTW, Chinese has a book on deciphering dreams and their meanings. It is quite fasinating where the rats and tooth at least were on the mark. This dream, I believe, is the body's way of telling the mind that special attention is needed to paid to the body or sickness will result.

    So looking at these "data" I believe that dreams do have different functions and is a way of the mind body communication (language of sort?). Just thought that I share with you.

    "For in this sleep of death, what dreams may come?" Shakespeare

    Mantis108

    Contraria Sunt Complementa

  11. #11
    TjD Guest

    nexus

    usually i do sitting meditation for 30-60mins before going to sleep, and after waking up :) good way to get ready for the day; and to wind down after a long one :) i've tried various kinds of ways to keep that mental state while going to sleep - but normally i always catch myself falling asleep (which ruins it)

    prana -

    thankyou very much :) i'll have to try it; i know what your talking about, for in trying concentration meditation where you focus on the tip of your nose (as opposed to the whole body); i've had my mind slip down there a few times :)

    thanks everyone; good luck sleeping
    peace
    trav

    Receive what comes, Escort what leaves, and if there is an opening, rush in

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    Thank you everyone for the information posted on this thred. I've always been very interested in sleep and dreaming and since I've read and aplied some of the post my dreaming has become very interesting! Nothing quite as cool as what has been previosly mentioned, but I did have a interesting one were I was floating and then I started talking in my sleep but in my dream I wasn't saying anything but i could hear myself, kind of like in the never ending story. Anyway I woke up and still felt like my hands were floating and I couldn't quite move them at first!
    I am nothing.

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    Difficulties...

    I dont manage it each time but one has to try and allow the mind to reside in these areas. One is trying to get to sleep first and foremost so one doesn't really want to start opening up enegry centres as this is a Yang activity, and nightime and sleep are Yin functions so naturally one will incur disharmony and the result will be insomnia. So you aren't trying to acivate things you are trying to induce things but with a Yin purpose or method.

    Secondly, I too would just like to quote something famous about dreams from Chuang Tzu.

    Once Chuang Chou dreamt he was a butterfly. He was happy as a butterfly enjoying himself fluttering from flower to flower and being trully one with nature. In his dream he WAS the butterfly completely. Suddenly Chuang Chou awoke where upon he was startled to realise that he was Chou again. Then he realised that he could not ascertain whether or not he, Chuang Chou, had only dreamt he was a butterfly or if the butterfly was now dreaming of being Chuang chou.


    Night night and sweet dreams whom ever you may be!!!??? Thats if you really are dreaming!

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    to realize whether it is a dream or something controlled, has anyone tried looking at their lines on their hands knowingly in a dream?

    this will put you in total control.

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    How about looking at the lines of your hands while you are awake and realizing you are in total control there also?

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