Lower Back Ache

[No_Know]

It is not a discussion with me to state what you already mentioned, but with examples.

Preface:
I have not fully examined cjurakpt and therefore do not claim to know anything about cjurakpt’s specific situation.

While this sort of disclaimer allows cjurakpt to enter a discussion about things cjurakpt cannot know without having partaken in a direct examination and then cjurakpt’s extensive knowledge and experience might do other than be significant to advise the most productive course of action to a resolution. Yet cjurakpt suggests or gives advice best as cjurakpt understands to at that moment.

I at best perhaps seek clarification of comment made by cjurakpt “what he describes might alleviate some types of LBP, it could significantly aggravate others; in general, I suggest not taking specific advice on what to do from someone who has no ability to properly diagnose you, but if you do (maybe you are totally desperate and out of all other options, e.g.), go slow and be careful
potentially dangerous speculation from No_Know...”

What I had later provided wee not in and of themselves diagnostic categories. I asked cjurakpt to provide those. cjurakpt did other than that. Cjurakpt states that my mentions might alleviate some types of LBP, it could significantly aggravate others. Which others? Where does what I say for masherdong’s particular mention not work.

I commented on masherdong’s mention specifically. cjurakpt brings up might alleviate some types of LBP, it could significantly aggravate others. How many situations does masherdong have as you understand it cjurakpt? Your words seem to me to indicate many, unless perhaps you are off the topic or you No_Know.

No discussion with a No_Know. You indicate might alleviate some types of LBP, it could significantly aggravate others.
What are these LBP types that that you say I described might aggravate?



Thank you,
No_Know

[No_Know]

before we go any further, I would really like to know if English is not your first language, or if you have some sort of cognitive impairment; I ask this because I am going to indulge you a little just to make my point, but I need to understand why you write like a third grader;

Other than a liscenced Healthcare practitioner.

English would count as my first language.

Not diagnosed as having some sort of cognitive impairment.

As to why I write as you might say, a third grader it would be in regards to a concept of allowing for the greastest audience for understanding.

No_Know

[IronWeasel]

It's been 24 hours with no response.

Either you made your point overwhelmingly...

...or he's STILL reading your post.

[kwaichang]

I liked it very interesting I wouldnt wast all my time though KC

[SteveLau]

I suppose most people whose main occupation is a desk job will have lower back pain after age 25. The major causes of such injury are over-use and poor posture. Yep, I have that too. And the causes are the same. Now I am over age 50. Over the years, I have tried various treatments to improve or cure the pain. Lately, the situation is not bad, but it is nowhere near a full recovery. I have been stretching my lower back daily for the last twelve months using different exercises. In the last seven days, I tried a new method after some research done.

Daily - one 30 seconds forward bend stretching; one 60 seconds inversion.


After 4 days, something like magic has happened. I found that the pain has gone down substantially as if it was not there any more. It is IMHO that inversion is the key treatment that makes a big difference. Probably, I will do it once per week as a health maintenance exercise.



KC
Hong Kong

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Back extension exercises (arch)

Holding a gymnasts bridge, and dry land swimming exercises are key. Lay on your stomach, lift your right qrm, and left leg so you feel the lumbar area and glutes engage.

Stretching forward, like where you touch your toes will stretch the muscles, but compress the spine because of the way it's hinged. To stretch the back muscles without compressing the spine, you have to lay on your back, lift one leg up, and (over time) pull it towards your shoulder. The other leg stays straight out on the ground.

You have to do one leg at a time, but it prevents the spinal compression that bending over and touching your toes causes.

[TenTigers]

I started teaching a "Tao Yoga" class in my school. It is a self-created class made up of Dao-Yin, Eight Pieces of Brocade, and Yoga movements. Since I started teaching it, my lower back pain is gone, including my sciatica. Like mentioned by the other posters, there are several back bends, forward bends, and also side bends, and strengthening poses, such as during the Sun Salutation, when you take one leg back, you raise the body, stretching the hands overhead and hold the position, similar to a warrior pose/standing lunge.

[TaichiMantis]

I am 51 and I feel your pain!

I had been sick this past week and a deep cough aggravated my lower back pain. This Saturday during our qigong exercises Sifu Li notice I was in pain and motioned me to the equipment room where he worked on my lower back. The right side was very tight. He also told me lie on my stomach, bend my knees to 90 degrees, hold knees together and bring legs to the floor side to side. He told me to do this twice a day, 16 times. The man has magic hands! I was much less tight and able to finish class with much less pain. Since many in our class have desk jobs, he told us to, stand once and awhile throughout the day and cup your elbows with your hands, behind your back while letting your head fall back. Breathe slowly in and out a few times.

I should also do standing meditation every morning. My spine seems to relax more when I focus on posture and breathing.

[hskwarrior]

Man, i really started to have severe low back pain for a bit. i found videos like this and did some stretches and my pain as well declined in a huge way. here is one video i used:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huUCG01B2qk

[Blacktiger]

I started teaching a "Tao Yoga" class in my school. It is a self-created class made up of Dao-Yin, Eight Pieces of Brocade, and Yoga movements. Since I started teaching it, my lower back pain is gone, including my sciatica. Like mentioned by the other posters, there are several back bends, forward bends, and also side bends, and strengthening poses, such as during the Sun Salutation, when you take one leg back, you raise the body, stretching the hands overhead and hold the position, similar to a warrior pose/standing lunge.

Exactly... Training long term you have to incorporate this into what you do....otherwise you won't last in older years. Get into your qigong!

[IronFist]

Lots of lower back pain is caused by hunching forward all day in a computer chair. it causes the arch to round.

I don't know how stretching forward is going to fix that, because that's bending the back in the same way.

Wrestlers bridges or some other arching exercise should be more effective, and doubly so if used as a preventative.

Deadlifts are probably pretty helpful, too, especially as a preventative.

Make sure you learn the correct form.

While we're on the subject, do any of you guys have lumbar support in your chairs? I've heard mixed reviews about whether or not it's actually helpful.

[donjitsu2]

I suppose most people whose main occupation is a desk job will have lower back pain after age 25. The major causes of such injury are over-use and poor posture. Yep, I have that too. And the causes are the same. Now I am over age 50. Over the years, I have tried various treatments to improve or cure the pain. Lately, the situation is not bad, but it is nowhere near a full recovery. I have been stretching my lower back daily for the last twelve months using different exercises. In the last seven days, I tried a new method after some research done.

Daily - one 30 seconds forward bend stretching; one 60 seconds inversion.


After 4 days, something like magic has happened. I found that the pain has gone down substantially as if it was not there any more. It is IMHO that inversion is the key treatment that makes a big difference. Probably, I will do it once per week as a health maintenance exercise.



KC
Hong Kong

You may find this helpful:

Prehab: Fix it BEFORE it Breaks! (lower back)

I wrote it a while back.

I've suffered with low back pain myself and the techniques outlined in the article have helped me.

Train Hard,
Josh Skinner

[Frost]

Back pain is rarely due to the back itself but usually the effects of tight hip flexors, tight psoas, inability to fire the glutes weak core endurance etc

Best advice is go see a pro, someone with medical experience because self diagnose can often do more harm than good (he says sat here with injured and broke of body)

Having said that a proper dynamic warm up with good activation exercises, and some static stretching and foam/tennis ball rolling is never a bad thing

[SteveLau]

Yep, I agree that tight flexors and tight psoas are the usual causes of lower back pain. That is why I gave the corresponding stretch treatment a try. The other treatments like arching our lower back help but do not result in full rehabilitation simply because they are not right on target of the root cause. Why these muscles got tightened, and thus shortened is easy to understand - we do not stretch them much in our daily activities. As I recall that a friend of mine asked me when we were in our late twenties, "do you have lower back pain?". And I replied "yes". He had it too. We have been doing desk bound job most of our working life. Other causes like poor posture will add to the problem. These tightened muscles will then pull our lower vertebate towards the front, thus make the vertebate not in its natural curve. So eventually, we feel pain in our lower back.


P.S. At the moment of writing this post, I have been doing the stretch daily for a month already. The pain has not returned.



Regards,

KC
Hong Kong

[slink]

I suppose most people whose main occupation is a desk job will have lower back pain after age 25. The major causes of such injury are over-use and poor posture. Yep, I have that too. And the causes are the same. Now I am over age 50. Over the years, I have tried various treatments to improve or cure the pain. Lately, the situation is not bad, but it is nowhere near a full recovery. I have been stretching my lower back daily for the last twelve months using different exercises. In the last seven days, I tried a new method after some research done.

Daily - one 30 seconds forward bend stretching; one 60 seconds inversion.


After 4 days, something like magic has happened. I found that the pain has gone down substantially as if it was not there any more. It is IMHO that inversion is the key treatment that makes a big difference. Probably, I will do it once per week as a health maintenance exercise.



KC
Hong Kong

I had similar issue when I was playing ice hockey on a professional level. Injuries were all the time. The one thing which actually helped me a lot is hemp oil. Honestly speaking, using hemp oil for pain management and that is exactly what any professional/amateur sportsman needs!