no tourists allowed in china!!!

[UK MONK]

because of the demonstrations about tibet that have happened all over the world china is not allowing any visa's to be given out or renewed until the olympics is over. they are afraid that demonstrators will disrupt the olympics and they might lose face. by doing this thousands of foreigners that work and live in china now have to leave because they cant renew there visa's. if you stay in china without a visa you will have to pay $50 per day. there are also rumors that you will be imprisoned or deported if you have no visa.

now my visa runs out on may 28th and im asking if anyone knows anyway around this problem or am i total f@cked?

[SPJ]

I have plans to travel from bei jing to lhasi.

I cancel them due to other matters.

[SPJ]

securities will be tightened before, during and immediately after the games.

I think nobody wants to see hostage or bombing or mass demostration that would endanger the tourists, atheletes, and families.

[SPJ]

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or repeat of tian an men square in 1989.

it was the longest demonstration against CPC.

a lot of the rumors surrounding the games this year.

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all precautions have to be taken by the authourities from Chinese government, IOC and all the governments of participating countries.

peaceful and safe games are benefits or success for everyone.

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[SPJ]

talking about tian an men square student demo in 1989.

the students were sitting in and hunger strike "long" enough.

negociatons were made for the students to leave the square.

Deng already decided to take back the square by force.

Premier Zhao insisted on peaceful solution.

He was relieved of all political positions.

Before he left office, Zhao Zi Yang went to the student crowds again, He called to the students that your demands the government knows and will work toward them, please leave the square. (warned the students of upcoming crack down)

Zhao was admired as the a true leader. However, the party saw him as weak in front of something "challenge" the party and government.



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June 4th student movements that took place in 1989 when the soviet bloc and berlin walls crumbled.

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[SPJ]

there were students demo thru out China in 1989.

even the crowds of bei jing took to the streets and "helped" the students.

nobody seemed to know what to do.

at this critical moment, Jiang wrote some pro party comments on Shang Hai paper. He was recruited from the mayorship of Shang Hai to bei jing to take the wheel from Zhao by Deng.

Li Peng was the premier.

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Zhao was house arrested. several times Deng asked to him to come back to the party. Zhao refused, Zhao insisted on pardonning of the students before he would come back.

Zhao stayed in his house and being watched till his passing.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEF6B...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxIer...eature=related

Taiwan tv news clip about Zhao was voted out of 5 positions.

Jiang was to take Zhao place.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZxjV...eature=related

Zhao talking to the students. Wen Jia Bao was with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSmIUZf5zNQ

Zhao passed away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIb-...eature=related

an author talking about Zhao's talk during his house arrest.

including hoping CPC to end single party rule, freedom of speech, and more political freedom or democrasy for China.

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viKGP39DWzM

a song in the memory of people that died.

the day will come that their positive roles will be recognised by the government.

or their record will be "retified" or ping fan.

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liu si ping fan or give proper recognition to the incident of june 4th, 1989.

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[golden arhat]

how do they expect people to be able to travel to watch their countries team compete ??

[David Jamieson]

how do they expect people to be able to travel to watch their countries team compete ??

most people who go to the olympics don't do so on a whim. The games are planned years in advance, so too are most trips by spectators to the games generally.

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5xESEvYb2A&NR=1

some rumors of civil war.

as the 27th army from shan xi positioned in beijing

while 38th, 15th, 16th and 17th army were on the outskirts.

some questions;

1 why the commanding officer holding the pistal while commanding his troops, afraid of soldiers rebelling against him.

27th army was the troops that "cleared" the street.

2. are there generals seeking more powers. are fighting immnent between 27th army and other army on the outskirts. since all the tanks are positioned at strategical buildings and roads and gun facing outskirts.

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these are not related or not necessary against students and civillians on the square.

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the source of these theories may not be confirmed.

true or not?

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[SPJ]

a young dude held off a tank column for 30 min.

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soldiers of 27th army burned its own trucks, threw away uniforms and joined the civilians?

dun want to "slaughter" own people.

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that was why the commanding officers holding out handguns?

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the morale and discipline of 27th army were way low.

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[David Jamieson]

can't really offer any comments as those are all in chinese.

there was a bunch of different imagery in them, some even from tienanmen square I think.

[Ben Gash]

most people who go to the olympics don't do so on a whim. The games are planned years in advance, so too are most trips by spectators to the games generally.

But you can't get a travel visa for China until 2 months before the trip.

[Ben Gash]

I've just checked the Consulate site and they're still issuing visas, theyjust require more documents.

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5xESEvYb2A&NR=1

some rumors of civil war.

I heard a lot of stories, true or not, I wound not know.

1. student side;

a. the students that started the gathering and demo were actually children of high officials, they were warned and moved away before the crack down, that was also why authorities may not move on them initially.

b. the students from the rest of China took trains and went to bei jing, they were the ones that had no clues before the crack down.

c. some students would like to go to bei jing. they were told that the trains stopped and nobody may go to bei ing (right before the crack down).

d, the leader students were all warned and helped to escape to the west via hong kong. altho some were arrested.

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2. mass movement of troops.

a. the satellite images showed massing of huge troops around bei jing, these are not necessary for clearing the streets. unless there is going to be a military coup.

b/c: local army would not move in bei jing, it was understood as not wanting to move against its own people.

then who would?

or the army gathered around bei jing and not moving in, so that the protesting crowds may move against the officials, then you have a revolution, the army just looked on the side.

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b. the troops that moved into bei jing were actually consisted of battalions or regiments from all over China, so nobody knew anybody plus a strange directing officer recently assigned.

so that nobody would have minds of their own but to follow orders and "move" on to the civilians.

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troops that supporting different factions of officials were positioned against one another and ready to "fight".

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or

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some day all the truths will come out.

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for now, people just have to know that it was a democratic event, and that some day China will move forward and follow the ideas that were proposed by the students in 1989. then their ultimate scarifices/loss of lives will not be in vain.

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