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This link has been around for a few years now and quotes Mas. Oyama's autobiography where the founder of the Kyokushinkai style of karate apparently claims that he lost a fight to an elderly tai chi master.
What I would like to know is if anybody here can verify this story. The only autobiography of Oyama that I know of is in Japanese. Anyway, here is the link:
www.crane.50megs.com/index6j.htm
Last edited by HardWork8; 04-19-2008 at 11:15 AM.
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"I don't know if anyone is known with the art of "sitting on your couch" here, but in my eyes it is also to be a martial art.
It is the art of avoiding dangerous situations. It helps you to avoid a dangerous situation by not actually being there. So lets say there is a dangerous situation going on somewhere other than your couch. You are safely seated on your couch so you have in a nutshell "difused" the situation."
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Just to clarify.Originally Posted by Vankuen
I just wanted to see if this literature is included in any so called "autobiography" credited to Masutatsu Oyama.
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Sorry, that was rude wasn't it?
I doubt this story is true coming from this guy. It could be true to an extent, but c'mon, he had tears of joy running down his face?! Feeble old man...etc etc...?
Anything passed on by word of mouth is 99% inflated or blatently wrong, even moreso as time passes. Anything written down in History books is only a one sided account written by those in power at the time. Unless there's unrefutable evidence, it's probably B.S. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. If it's a cliche story base with inserted characters, than you know it's probably not true.
Would be nice though, wouldn't it?
"I don't know if anyone is known with the art of "sitting on your couch" here, but in my eyes it is also to be a martial art.
It is the art of avoiding dangerous situations. It helps you to avoid a dangerous situation by not actually being there. So lets say there is a dangerous situation going on somewhere other than your couch. You are safely seated on your couch so you have in a nutshell "difused" the situation."
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It was more ignorant than rude, but apology accepted.
The tears of joy are irrelevant if the story is false or true.
The point is that the author quotes Oyama's autobiography and not word of mouth.
Except in this case the "history book" is supposedly written by the defeated party, Mas. Oyama. That is why I wanted to see wether someone could clarify this whole thing.
Again, if the losing party is telling the story, then that would point to the evidence, at least to some extent.
Wether this story is too good to be true will depend on who is reading it. It may not be story that is too good to be true if the reader is a none kung fu person.
Again, we don't know that yet. The main character seems to have been a real one, Masutatsu Oyama and the story is apparently based on his autobiography.
Not for karate men nor a pseudo kung fu men who only ridicule the internal aspects of TCMAs.
To conclude, I just wanted to see the source of that story. Looking at the rest of the site, as I am sure you would agree, most of the content seems to be verifiable.
I know for a fact that there is an autobiography of Oyama in Japanese. The article in the site does refer to Oyama's autobiography.
It would be interesting to see if this "incident" is included in Oyama's Japanese autobiography, or if we could get another solid source of reference for it.
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Yep...a number of sources would be the only way to go...but since it seems there was only Chen, and Oyama, and one unnamed party there, it's highly unlikely.
Are you even sure that Oyama even wrote this autobiography? Is the auther even sure?
Either way...it's good reading if nothing else.
"I don't know if anyone is known with the art of "sitting on your couch" here, but in my eyes it is also to be a martial art.
It is the art of avoiding dangerous situations. It helps you to avoid a dangerous situation by not actually being there. So lets say there is a dangerous situation going on somewhere other than your couch. You are safely seated on your couch so you have in a nutshell "difused" the situation."
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Yeah, that little story was a serious load.
and the quote on that site about "taiji being for supermen" was from a book entitled "Moving Zen", written by a Shotokan practitioner named C.W. Nicol, a Canadian ex-pat living in Japan back in the '60's, whose entire text reads like the mooings of a love-sick cow staring into a tractor's headlights in regard to his swallowing the whole TMA schtick hook, line and sinker...
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