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    Sorry. Don't know anything about a 4th form in the WingChun fist non-weapon routine. It's common knowledge that Master Ip Man taught a more diverse regimen to his first students in Foshan (Mainland) before teaching in Hong Kong. (under duress). From what I can see, he did streamline his Hong Kong style to NOT include techniques from other Southern styles that had been incorporated early on (Red Boat Opera performers of various style affiliations). * Reading the notes from the last vid you posted, I see from the comments section that Master Ip Man's son, Ip Ching created the form as a compilation (essence) of the WingChun non-weapon forms (3).
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    I noticed the comments section after posting, apparently it's a competition form.. I've never heard of it or seen it before... the 4th form I refer to is in 2 lineages from leung Jan... I know it's called the "bagua" form because you move in 8 directions, I think its budda hand wing Chun that calls it that, the other one is lo kwai wing chun which doesn't have a name for it... it has stepping and hands from all the forms supposedly... funnily ip ching tried to add back in something that was removed

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    Doctor Leung Jan was Master Ip Man's teacher/Sifu's Master in Foshan. I read online material from interviews with Ip Man's original students in Foshan that before he fled to Hong Kong he taught them the "Bagua stuff" back then. Different times. .... dangerous times to live in China if you ended up on the "wrong side" of turbulent politics. * Also, the footwork in the video is not Bagua style circle walking but still WingChun style footwork, even the sliding. Personally, I have always said that I consider the general movement in the WingChun forms to be very awkward looking. That was my first impression in observing the style and can say the same of Southern White Crane form practice. (And yet, these are the only two Kung fu styles I cherry-pick from that I instinctively use if confronted/need to defend myself or others (devastating full body blocks and breaking). I prefer more fluid motion but would never claim to practice something other than Southern Crane/WingChun because of adopting content technique.
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    i know cha wah shun, was a student of leung Jan, 2 other lines that come from him still have the 4th form, called the "bagua" form ( no relation to bagua zhang ) in one of them, because you move in 8 directions, to me, in my head anyway, that would be from the center to the trigrams, kinda like the end of cws's slt. which makes me think it was the 4th form added on. obviously just a guess..




    ip chings, being of his own making... isn't anything to do with it at all... just to save confusion lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmStriker View Post
    From what I can see, he did streamline his Hong Kong style to NOT include techniques from other Southern styles that had been incorporated early on (Red Boat Opera performers of various style affiliations). .
    do you know which techniques he took out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmStriker View Post
    Doctor Leung Jan was Master Ip Man's teacher/Sifu's Master in Foshan. I read online material from interviews with Ip Man's original students in Foshan that before he fled to Hong Kong he taught them the "Bagua stuff" back then.
    do you mean "bagua stuff" as in bagua zhang?

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    Yes. At least "circle walking" from the Northern Bagua Zhang style was mentioned in one of the interviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmStriker View Post
    Yes. At least "circle walking" from the Northern Bagua Zhang style was mentioned in one of the interviews.
    thanks.. maybe my thoughts on the deconstructed circle walking has some merit then lol

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    I think it must be the same as the origins of circle walking are from Taoist monks, what I read mentioned "Wu Dang" . There were other styles of Chinese MA that were practiced by WingChun lineages... such as Hung Gar and the use of the "War Palm" generated from the Shaolin Ma bu, "horse stance". Lot's of weapons were also used but gradually trimmed down to just the butterfly knives and long pole. The YKS/Yuen brothers lineage was founded on the fighting expertise of two Red Boat Opera performers that became Imperial Marshalls, one of them was also a Northern style TaijiGuan practitioner, some of which definitely shows up in some of the teachings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmStriker View Post
    I think it must be the same as the origins of circle walking are from Taoist monks
    one book I read said that when they went to the sect where dong reportedly learned the circle walking and asked them about it, they said it was dong who taught them it.. so it seems to be a chicken and egg scenario

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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xwvvVVBCGRE

    seems I'm way off.. 1st section of Buda hands 4th form

    8 sections in total

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.D.O View Post
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xwvvVVBCGRE

    seems I'm way off.. 1st section of Buda hands 4th form

    8 sections in total
    2nd section https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LwQmpSi3y14

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