Speaking of trolls....
Seriously, you are like that monkey that just keeps throwing his poo at everyone. Do you really have to $h!t everywhere you go? You can't even make one contributive post in this thread. 3 and they are all trash talk. Its funny though, because you have been shown to be a bona fide moron.
Its kind of like back in the day, when all swimmers ever did was swim. Then somebody had the genius idea that hey, we can lift weights too! And all of a sudden they were swimming more strongly, and knocking out times that were making jaws drop. Now its common practice that a swimmer has to also build strength and flexibility to get the most of out each stroke. Look at soldiers. They are professional fighters. Just in another light. I'm not talking about the guy that flies the office desk, but the guys crawling in the sand. Now there are some slobs, but most of those guys are in some pretty good shape. The ones that aren't don't make it out too far. That or they do something dumb like pull the plates out of their vest so its lighter but wonder why they got shot half to death...
The only real thing is MMA guys are more "honest" in their training. What I mean is, if they suck at their training...they...and really everyone that watches them...know they sucked in their training. You get out what you put in. They know they are going to fight. They also know that fighting is a physically arduous activity, so they prepare themselves for that. At least most do, and when they don't its obvious. Look at BJ Penn. When he actually puts in the effort, he's about unbeatable. But (and he's the first one to admit it) there was a while that he was a lazy @$$ and he lost fights because he wasn't training for them. Now I'm not saying TMA don't know this. But well most barely ever, if at all, step foot in the gym. They know they should work out harder, but just don't. Its like when I have a patient come in with COPD, Hypertension, etc. They know they should quit smoking and eat better. Do they change? No...
You know my first kung fu teacher told me, "You need to think of yourself as an athlete and you need to train like one." Chi gung is great. I like doing Iron mountain. I like stone warrior. I like IP (though to honest I think most people that practice it, it won't really make much difference since they can't hit with it anyways.) But that being said. I'm a small dude. I push 155 on my best day. I will never be able to match up strength wise with even just the naturally big if I don't put in some time on a good strength training routine. And lets not get into cardio. Ugh....I wish they had a pukey smily face to put here...
That in mind, I wouldn't say MMA is more sport oriented. I mean yeah we all know the UFC venue and all that. But that sport vs street concept is laughable at best. I'd go so far to say that most MMA (remember, most care very little to be in UFC and all that) are more martial artist (and more athlete) than most TMA. It just goes back to being honest in your training.
Differences aren't really as glaring as you might think. There might be some aspects that don't mesh. But lets be real. There's a lot of crap in even just a singular system that really should just be done away with. Trim the fat and all that....
That said, there might be a different goal in mind. Like say you might be trying to dominate the center while I might like to close it. Or even difference in technical preference. But in physical manifestation the differences are finite. There is only one human body. We have some variation with body mass, some elasticity. But they only teach one anatomy in A & P. That's why afterall we have standards of practice in kung fu. For example...stances. If I do a dan san ma with a punch in mantis or a bow and arrow stance in hung gar, guess what...they are exactly the same. Why? Because I haven't mysteriously grown a third leg. (Ronin don't even go there
) Structure is simply the meeting between physical law and intent of motion.
This not coincidentally is why I think people need to minimize the amount of time they spend on forms for more live training. Let your fighting tell you what is technically correct. At the end of the day either it worked or it didn't.
In my opinion the issue isn't so much of style X and style Y don't mesh well. I think the real issue is that 90% of the people don't train either in any realistic light. They sucked all around and were close minded to the realistic demands of training it takes to really be a functional and more important a proficient fighter. Because well, sometimes you only got one chance to get it right...
And that's what crosstraining is about. Its not about mixing a dozen different systems like some people like to think while flailing their arms in the air and ham handing their keyboard because they have a spasm over the fact that everybody disagrees with them...ahem...hardwork8.....
Its about taking what you are good at, being HONEST with what both you and your core system lack and finding the most efficient way to correct that weakness (who would you get advice from about how to make money? That rich businessman or the homeless drunk in the corner asking said businessman for change? So are you going to waste years of your life looking for the nonexistent kungfu ground fighting or are you going to go to the bjj gym across the street?). And testing it with live feedback to ensure it is both functional and efficient, not just theorizing about it. That's why kung fu has so much fat now. People making up moves cause they sat in their nice homes and not fighting. When people actually did fight, the systems were much simpler.
Originally Posted by lianweizhi
