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    What is this talk about your Bagua not really being Bagua? I read somewhere one time that you guys call it Bagua, but the real name is Divine Boxing or something...

    What's that about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Tiger View Post
    I am not sure I understand this. So he would have a student think he was doing a tiger form, then tell him it was actually a monkey form? Or think they would be doing say, tiger 1 but it was really tiger 5 (as an example)?

    Can you elaborate on this?
    I believe he means that the students would practice certain forms to perform at tourneys and such and then he turns around and teaches another form and tells them that they are no longer doing the other form they are doing this form.

    Maybe, I do not know, just a guess.

    The reason I was thinking about it like this is because DS and SHS used to do something like this for the the China trips. They would not tell you what form(s) you are performing until the last .

    So you better be up to the second on your material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    I think he's saying he would make them learn a new form for tournaments, despite the fact they had been training one already for competition purposes.
    I think this is it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Pen View Post
    I wonder why that is. Not flaming, but why should one's martial history and lineage be a secret?
    Not to defend him or anything but as I understand it this is the way it was done until recently.

    I understand why some people do and some people do not.

    To each his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkriii View Post
    Why did you think that I was talking about tim pickens? I never eluded to this at all in any of my posts. I believe that I may have met Tim once or twice at a tournament in Whitesburg, Kyentucky at the mountain fellowship tournament. It doesn't really matter what I think about Tim anyways. Greatgrandmaster has passed his title of Grandmaster on to him and wheather you like it or hate it you better learn to live with it because GreatGM John Ng did it.

    GreenTiger, there was a little upheaval about some decisions but it has all been taken care of within the family. Those who aired any dirty laundery on the internet have been talked to and dealt with and everyone has moved on past this but thanks for the concern in the matter. We'll keep you informed on any updates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Tiger View Post
    I am not sure I understand this. So he would have a student think he was doing a tiger form, then tell him it was actually a monkey form? Or think they would be doing say, tiger 1 but it was really tiger 5 (as an example)?

    Can you elaborate on this?

    Sure, when we would go to tournaments he would surprise you at the last minute and tell you to do a different form than what you had been practicing. For example, you might be thinking your going to do a simple tiger form and then right before you go before the judges to perform he would tell you do a monkey form even though you don't know monkey. He did this more with weapons though. You'd think your going to do a staff or spear and then at the last moment give you some off the wall weapon to do like a battle ax or a trident or a hook spear. He would do this to see how well you act under pressure and to see how you handle that weapon becuase he might be thinking about training you more in that particular weapon or style. I hope that I explained it a little bit more clearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwaichang View Post
    he prob stole all his stuff from SD then opened his school. So no it is not real KC
    What the heck is KC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkriii View Post
    Sure, when we would go to tournaments he would surprise you at the last minute and tell you to do a different form than what you had been practicing. For example, you might be thinking your going to do a simple tiger form and then right before you go before the judges to perform he would tell you do a monkey form even though you don't know monkey. He did this more with weapons though. You'd think your going to do a staff or spear and then at the last moment give you some off the wall weapon to do like a battle ax or a trident or a hook spear. He would do this to see how well you act under pressure and to see how you handle that weapon becuase he might be thinking about training you more in that particular weapon or style. I hope that I explained it a little bit more clearly.
    In a public performance he would tell you to do a style that you have never trained in like monkey? So you would then jump around and do a monkey form the way that you think a monkey form should be done?
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    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkriii View Post
    What the heck is KC?
    An abbreviation for kwaichang.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oso View Post
    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Pen View Post
    In a public performance he would tell you to do a style that you have never trained in like monkey? So you would then jump around and do a monkey form the way that you think a monkey form should be done?
    Yep, crazy isn't it? He didn't do that all the time but ocationally, he did it more so with weapons though. Talk about feeling wierd and scared, like a fish out of water. He would say in his broken English "just do it" but it came out sounding like "jus duweet". Its funny looking back on it but scary back then. He definitely had his own way of teaching.
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    Some of Grandmaster Ng's training exercises really seemed crazy at the time. He had this one training exercise for snake style that was called "snake poll training". It reminded me of the exercises in the movie with Jackie Chan. We had this poll that was about 6 1/2 to 7 feet tall and about 4 inches around in diameter. What you do is you cup your hand around the back of the poll at shoulder or ear level and flip it over your shoulder bringing your hand thats cupping it down to about your waist level, and then bring your hand back up to cup it again by your head before it falls. This exercise serves several perposes.....One, it developes wrist strength. Two, it developes speed in your hands. Three, it teaches you how to use your hands to wrap around your opponent. Some other exercises and stuff is we would do dive rolls over milk crates and finger tip push ups. Grandmaster Ng also had an obstacle course behind the school in some wooded area that we would have to run, things like crossing a log bridge and climbing a tree and swinging on a rope. This would be like a warm up before class. In the back of the school gym (which was like a big warehouse building made of metal) there was a big thick rope that we had to climb. We had to hang from the rafters for minutes which seemed like an eternity when your 16 years old and your 25 feet above the ground, It was high. We had sparring sessions where we would sparr blind folded or we would sparr 2 or 3 on 1. It was deffinitely an experience (a good one).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkriii View Post
    Some of Grandmaster Ng's training exercises really seemed crazy at the time. He had this one training exercise for snake style that was called "snake poll training". It reminded me of the exercises in the movie with Jackie Chan. We had this poll that was about 6 1/2 to 7 feet tall and about 4 inches around in diameter. What you do is you cup your hand around the back of the poll at shoulder or ear level and flip it over your shoulder bringing your hand thats cupping it down to about your waist level, and then bring your hand back up to cup it again by your head before it falls. This exercise serves several perposes.....One, it developes wrist strength. Two, it developes speed in your hands. Three, it teaches you how to use your hands to wrap around your opponent. Some other exercises and stuff is we would do dive rolls over milk crates and finger tip push ups. Grandmaster Ng also had an obstacle course behind the school in some wooded area that we would have to run, things like crossing a log bridge and climbing a tree and swinging on a rope. This would be like a warm up before class. In the back of the school gym (which was like a big warehouse building made of metal) there was a big thick rope that we had to climb. We had to hang from the rafters for minutes which seemed like an eternity when your 16 years old and your 25 feet above the ground, It was high. We had sparring sessions where we would sparr blind folded or we would sparr 2 or 3 on 1. It was deffinitely an experience (a good one).
    Aside from the pole exercises, nothing you described was not done as part of my formal training in SD. Obstacle courses. Diving and rolling over objects. Finger-tip push ups?--a dozen different varieties. Blindfold sparring 6 on 1 at one point. And all of that was with my first teacher prior to moving to Tennessee. Heck 2 on 1 sparring is routine in my classes and a mandatory part of testing.

    Fun things to enhance your training and shake them up. I don't know how I feel about the forms bait and switch. I don't really think its fair to the student because if they don't know monkey, then whatever they came up with wouldn't be monkey, would it? But I have had my teacher do things to see how I would respond under "pressure" so I understand the concept even if I don't agree with the methodology.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oso View Post
    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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    I thought this thread was for former Ng students. Why aren't more posting here?
    Quote Originally Posted by Oso View Post
    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Pen View Post
    Fun things to enhance your training and shake them up. I don't know how I feel about the forms bait and switch. I don't really think its fair to the student because if they don't know monkey, then whatever they came up with wouldn't be monkey, would it? But I have had my teacher do things to see how I would respond under "pressure" so I understand the concept even if I don't agree with the methodology.
    The thing with the form though is at an open circuit tournament the judges aren't going to know if it's a legit form or not because more than not they are going to be shotokan karate or Ishen Ryu Karate or some other karate style so it was funny when (and it happened a few times) one of us would win 1st or 2nd place with a made up form. If you were a good B.S.ter and a good actor you could pull it off. Also this let him see what you think about this particular style and helps him decide wheather he thinks it right for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Pen View Post
    I thought this thread was for former Ng students. Why aren't more posting here?
    I don't know why more aren't posting. I wish they would though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    What is this talk about your Bagua not really being Bagua? I read somewhere one time that you guys call it Bagua, but the real name is Divine Boxing or something...

    What's that about?
    What about this?
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