Why you don't need forms...

[MasterKiller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y65VcABUzr8

[Mook Jong]

I pity the kid who gets into a playground fight with him, that kid is amazing

[kwaichang]

Focus pads dont hit back KC

[MasterKiller]

Focus pads dont hit back KC

Neither does the air.

[shadowlin]

Technically both apply the same force.

Both have merits. Why do people insist that things are one way or the other? They are both, depending on what you want and what you need.

Forms are good and hitting things are good and grappling is good and sparring is good and sticking hands is good.

It's all good.

[Samurai Jack]

That was a nice example of a form.

And wow.

[kwaichang]

If he did forms he prob wouldnt lift his elbow prior to Jabbing. When you hit something for the sake of speed you will develop poor tech habits the samee applies to seeking power only. Most have the wrong concept of what true power is. KC

[shadowlin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y65VcABUzr8

I am not sure how this proves your point. All I can think of is how much more amazing he'd be with forms and teachers who really grasped the forms (which I'll give you is a rare thing). He's fantastic, no doubt about it. Will eclipse most all of us in our lifetimes.

But maxed out? It's really debatable.

You know Tony Jaa has had forms and traditional teachings. Would anyone argue that he isn't fantastically beyond most considered limits of human ability?

Also, Bruce Lee had forms. You just never know what forms do for you until you've had them.... and some will never know.

edit: considering most people lose power in the feet to start with, true power is rarely, if ever attained. I've seen few examples of it. Fortunately for all of us, true power is overkill if you know what to hit.


You know all NBA teams use forms - in the style of plays - and would anyone argue they aren't the cream of the crop in basketball perfection?

You know that olympic swimmers have forms and techniques they practice? And boxers use routine sets of strikes into the air.

There are many styles of forms. I don't see how the lack of learning forms proves their ineffectiveness.

[Yao Sing]

Hey MK, you remember the video posted awhile back with the little kid rolling with his dad in the living room? That would go nice with this clip.

[golden arhat]

Focus pads dont hit back KC

yes they do.

[Shaolin Wookie]

You know Tony Jaa has had forms and traditional teachings. Would anyone argue that he isn't fantastically beyond most considered limits of human ability?


Also, Bruce Lee had forms. You just never know what forms do for you until you've had them.... and some will never know.

1. Tony Jaa has "forms" that "look cool" and tranlate to "cinematic imitation by real-life MA's" who have "unreal expectations" of "forms" that "look cool". I agree he's fantastically talented. He's in great shape, he "looks" like he hits hard, and he can do great gymnastics. But he practiced wushu, capoeira, and parkour. Then, he and Panni Rittikrai decided--hey, what if we made Muay Thai "LOOK LIKE IT WAS THE COOLEST", and they tailored it up with the frills and lace of parkour, wushu, gymnastics, and capoeira.

But if you stuck him in the ring with the average fifteen year old Thai amateur, I'm not convinced he'd walk out of the ring with both legs intact. Again, the disconnect between cinema and reality is astounding here.

2. Bruce had forms, and sometimes he used some of the movements in his movies, like everything in his movies, "BECAUSE THEY LOOK LIKE THEY ARE LIKE THE COOLEST THING ON THIS GREEN EARTH"....LOL....

Bruce hit bags, worked with live resisting opponents, etc. Note: He scrapped forms altogether. It's not that his forms made him great. Perhaps scrapping forms and fighting/sparring/hitting bags made him great.

[monji112000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y65VcABUzr8

wow he is going to beat the living crap out of some kid. I can see the lawsuits ...

LOL I like the idea of kids doing forms and not actually learning how to fight.

[Becca]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y65VcABUzr8

Mia could take him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLpe...eature=related

[Becca]

wow he is going to beat the living crap out of some kid. I can see the lawsuits ...

LOL I like the idea of kids doing forms and not actually learning how to fight.

Agreed. As has been proven time and time again, most people need to be taught how to extract the fighting technique from forms, which makes them perfect for kids. You can teach them the techniques, train thir bodies, but hold off teaching them how to actually use them untill they are old enought to use them wisely.


MK, did we really need yet another thread about forms having no value to you? Couldn't you have just made this about a seriously talented kid?

[David Jamieson]

anybody who had that level of training, skill and familial commitment at 5 years old raise your hand.

he appears to be receiving good training geared towards him as a kid.

I am totally ok with this and I admire the kid for his moxy.

if he is full contact sparring at his age, I would rethink that entirely seeing as he is growing and its a good way to cause major problems for him later.

otherwise, cool.

p.s strung combos are forms. and focus mitts while not resistence training are not the same as hitting air. You get push back from your partner to feedback force to you. It's not as intense as pads or heavy bags, but it is about focusing the strikes and aligning the mechanics of the body...which is...well, form work.