The Pole

[chusauli]

Should the pot call the kettle black, Spencer? Crossing poles can be fun in an exchange.

Throwing down your weapon shows no finesse, especially when you complete a set.

Many WCK people don't even salute when they begin a form or end a form, and simply get up and walk away.

[CFT]

Throwing down your weapon shows no finesse, especially when you complete a set.

Many WCK people don't even salute when they begin a form or end a form, and simply get up and walk away.

We should treasure our weapons. Also what does it represent to be divesting yourself of your weapon(s)? If nothing else it is bloomin' noisy. Imagine throwing your knives down to the floor as well.

As to the salute, I was never taught to salute at the beginning or end of forms. Perhaps if doing a public performance? I always bowed/saluted practice partners.

[LoneTiger108]

Should the pot call the kettle black, Spencer? Crossing poles can be fun in an exchange.

I don't recall me talking of a 12 o'clock pole Robert! That's what I was refering to here. Its all good fun mate, of course I would be honoured to cross poles with you.

We should treasure our weapons. Also what does it represent to be divesting yourself of your weapon(s)? If nothing else it is bloomin' noisy. Imagine throwing your knives down to the floor as well.

I see Uncle Kwok 'place' the pole back to the floor, tip to base, which I can only presume is the way he was shown. Personally, I agree with you both. As for the knives, I've never seen people use the scabbard as I do either to open and close.

As to the salute, I was never taught to salute at the beginning or end of forms. Perhaps if doing a public performance? I always bowed/saluted practice partners.

Great point! And something I noticed at my beginnings. I was taught as a performer first, so a salutation (cheng lai) was mandatory.

[bennyvt]

yip never taught the pole using chop sticks. The story goes wsl was hassling yip to learn the knives. He had been doing it for heaps and yip went ok here it is. He used chop sticks as the knives. The next day yip man come in and wsl was doing the form. Yip obviously thought **** i got to show him properly. But from what i heard yip personally taught leung sheung the knives and lok yui the pole then got them to show everyone else as yip was pretty old by then.

[LoneTiger108]

But from what i heard yip personally taught leung sheung the knives and lok yui the pole then got them to show everyone else as yip was pretty old by then.

Interesting comment

There has been claims in the Lee Shing family of Ip Man actually passing his knives to Lee Shing, but I couldn't comment as I wasn't there. I know the 'design' is very similar to his set I saw in the Foshan museum.

Lok Yiu was mentioned and very highly respected by my Sifu as a Pole man. Both he and Jiu Wan were very good friends with Lee Shing too, introducing him to Ip Man I understand.

It would be good to see somemore variations of pole plays from these lineages, can anyone help? I recently found clips of Jason Lau, and this one has an interesting pole demo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2plEC4adSw

[LoneTiger108]

Jim Fung Wing Chun Pole Form

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3CP0...eature=related

Fung Siu Ching Wing Chun Pole

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoVk4...eature=related

[YouKnowWho]

Jim Fung Wing Chun Pole Form

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3CP0...eature=related

Fung Siu Ching Wing Chun Pole

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoVk4...eature=related

Both pole forms look like spear forms to me. What happen to the spear head?

[Phil Redmond]

Again, this 'half point' doesn't exist! I use the 'half pole' method to defend and attack with the pole at close range. As for lines of attack, I'm not sure what you mean here. . . . .

The Bun Dim DOES exist is some people's pole form.

[Phil Redmond]

yip never taught the pole using chop sticks. The story goes wsl was hassling yip to learn the knives. He had been doing it for heaps and yip went ok here it is. He used chop sticks as the knives. The next day yip man come in and wsl was doing the form. Yip obviously thought **** i got to show him properly. But from what i heard yip personally taught leung sheung the knives and lok yui the pole then got them to show everyone else as yip was pretty old by then.

Logically to make a blanket statement as to what Yip Man did or didn't do would require a person to have been with him 24/7. Since that can't be the case blanket statements would be illogical.

[Vajramusti]

Logically to make a blanket statement as to what Yip Man did or didn't do would require a person to have been with him 24/7. Since that can't be the case blanket statements would be illogical.

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Phol- benny just repeated what he had heard. No harm in that. No one followed Ip Man 24/7
besides Ip Man. History is full of stories.

joy chaudhuri

[LoneTiger108]

The Bun Dim DOES exist is some people's pole form.

I understand your 'point' Phil, as most guys I know relate this 1/2 point to a semi-circle/half moon motion or even using the butt end of the pole.

What I'm saying is that is not the way I know.

No half point, just half pole!

[Vajramusti]

The six and a half points are not necessarily related to six and a half motions, because there are more than six and a half possible motions and points in using the wing chun 8 foot pole.

joy chaudhuri

[Phil Redmond]

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Phol- benny just repeated what he had heard. No harm in that. No one followed Ip Man 24/7
besides Ip Man. History is full of stories.

joy chaudhuri

Yes it is.

[LoneTiger108]

Both pole forms look like spear forms to me. What happen to the spear head?

I think it got left embedded in them soldiers!

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f23HVnmTmUE