Quantum of Solace

[GeneChing]

It didn't live up the Casino, but it's easily the next best Bond flick in the last decade (and I only say that because of Michelle in Tomorrow - I'd have to go back to Never say never for another Bond I enjoyed as much and that was a whopping quarter century ago). It was very entertaining. The cinematography was too frenetic, which, like Bourne, was a shame since the choreography and stunts were there. I wish I saw Casino just before it because I didn't really remember all the carry-over characters. I'm finally warming up to Dench as M. I still enjoy Craig as Bond; he still lives up to the promise he showed in Layer Cake.

As for the complaints on the weird title, they'll get more complaints about Risico and The Hildebrand Rarity. The Property of a Lady could work. 007 in New York seems lame too. Then I think they're done unless they move to the non-Fleming works. The complainers should really read the original Fleming books - in order no less. The books are tremendous, better than the movies in many ways.

[doug maverick]

sounds like a bad horror movie. whoever came up with that weak ass title should die the slow way(have all ur flesh peeled of bit by bit). i agree about the camera and it may be do to the fact that it was the same action director from the last two bourne films. when will they learn that fans hate hate hate hate hate that ****. if i ever see his big fat ass again(dan bradley the second unit director of quatum and the last two bourne films) im gonna shake him and ask him does he like it. anyway i hear the next film is suppose to be more sexed up. idk about it being shot in new york maybe maybe not.i like when its shot in more luxurious location like monte negro in casino. but im sure itll be fine in ny.but nee york is more dectective and mobster then spy movie. to me anyway.

[GeneChing]

Fleming wrote two short story collections on Bond. For Your Eyes Only contained From a View to a Kill, For Your Eyes Only, Quantum of Solace, Risico and The Hildebrand Rarity. Octo***** and The Living Daylights contained Octo*****, The Living Daylights, The Property of a Lady and 007 in New York. You've got to keep in mind that the books, while parallel to the movies, are quite different. The names are changed all around and the plots seldom map on the stories anymore. For example in the books (and this is a spoiler) Bond gets brainwashed into an assassination attempt on M.

[TenTigers]

spoiler-anyone else notice the homage to Goldfinger-almost identical position as well.

[GeneChing]

I'm still debating whether that worked for me. Halle Berry's homage to Ursula Andress worked, but I'm not sure that one did.

[TenTigers]

I'm still debating whether that worked for me. Halle Berry's homage to Ursula Andress worked, but I'm not sure that one did.

oh yeah,forgot about that one! Bikini and knife strapped to her waist.
Now I have to see it again and look for more. This is like "Where's Waldo"

[doug maverick]

i actually liked the oil bit. it was pretty good and i liked how.....forget it thats to big a spoiler.but for those who seen it you know what im talking about the walk of shame in the desert and what bond gave him.

[SimonM]

The books are tremendous, better than the movies in many ways.

True.

And what I like about Craig is that he is more simmilar to the bond of the books than any of his predecessors.

Which is why Roger Moore, Pierce Brosnan and especially Timothy Dalton suck.

[TenTigers]

I would love to see remakes of the Bond movies that were ruined by Roger Moore.
And who can forgive them for George Lazenby's forgettable performance in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service?" pure shlock.
Way too much cheap gags-the Southern Cop, "Jaws," ridiculous chase scenes, and hokey weaponry from Q Branch.
Compare them to "Dr. No," and "From Russia with Love."

[SimonM]

Hear hear.

[GeneChing]

They should really just go back and do the books. The Bond films basically got caught up in Thunderball plot (evil villain steals something that's very destructive) and never got out of it. But the books, ahh, there's this amazing progression of the Bond character from naive to an alcoholic burnt out wounded warrior. It's brilliant, and Craig has potential to see those life changes through. In the books, Blofeld is drawn much more vibrantly - his garden of death in You Only Live Twice (book) was high poetry, showing Fleming at the top of his game as a pulp fiction writer. Fleming was involved with British Naval Intelligence in real life, and the Bond books illustrate his inside knowledge of espionage at that time, along with keen portrayals of Jamaica and other locales.

I'm now curious - who here has read them (aside from SimonM)? Extra credit if you've read the lost Bond book (and Bond film) Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Of course, you'd really need to be in Bondage to understand all the levels of that reference.

I've always been a fan of Connery. I felt for Lazenby because On Her Majesty's Secret Service was actually a pivotal moment in the books (the death of Bond's bride) and he had to be bested by Kojak. I hated Moore but loved Live and Let Die - in fact it's one of my fav Bond flicks of all. I liked Dalton because he replaced Moore. I thought Brosnan was really weird since he started on TV doing a caricature of Bond in Remington Steele.

[Judge Pen]

Although I'll always have a soft spot for Connery, Craig is my favorite Bond now. His intensity and subtlety is startling and he is closer to the idea of Bond as developed by Fleming. I like that Craig does not play bond as a caricature.

This movie was essentially a subtle remake of Dr. No in my opinion. Bond's involvement in this mission is more personally involved then Bond in Dr. No, but in both movies, Bond stumbles upon a previously unknown organization (SPECTRE vs QUANTIUM). In both movies, he is aided by a beautiful woman seeking revenge and neither of them realize how far reaching their actions actually are. I hope this re-boot continues and the next movie is about QUANTIUM seeking revenge against Bond personally al la From Russian With Love.

[Judge Pen]

They should really just go back and do the books. The Bond films basically got caught up in Thunderball plot (evil villain steals something that's very destructive) and never got out of it. But the books, ahh, there's this amazing progression of the Bond character from naive to an alcoholic burnt out wounded warrior. It's brilliant, and Craig has potential to see those life changes through. In the books, Blofeld is drawn much more vibrantly - his garden of death in You Only Live Twice (book) was high poetry, showing Fleming at the top of his game as a pulp fiction writer. Fleming was involved with British Naval Intelligence in real life, and the Bond books illustrate his inside knowledge of espionage at that time, along with keen portrayals of Jamaica and other locales.

I'm now curious - who here has read them (aside from SimonM)? Extra credit if you've read the lost Bond book (and Bond film) Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Of course, you'd really need to be in Bondage to understand all the levels of that reference.

I've always been a fan of Connery. I felt for Lazenby because On Her Majesty's Secret Service was actually a pivotal moment in the books (the death of Bond's bride) and he had to be bested by Kojak. I hated Moore but loved Live and Let Die - in fact it's one of my fav Bond flicks of all. I liked Dalton because he replaced Moore. I thought Brosnan was really weird since he started on TV doing a caricature of Bond in Remington Steele.

I don't have the depth of knowledge of the books. I read On Her Majesty's Secret Service and that is still my favorite Bond movie because of the humanity of the Bond character (if only Connery had played that Bond instead of Lazenby).

I agree with you on Moore, but I thought For Your Eyes Only was Moore's best. I liked Dalton in Licensed to Kill but he was wrong for Bond at that time.

I agree with you, I hope they use Craig and build upon Bond in a way that hasn't been done in the movies.

[SimonM]

I'm now curious - who here has read them (aside from SimonM)? Extra credit if you've read the lost Bond book (and Bond film) Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Of course, you'd really need to be in Bondage to understand all the levels of that reference.

I watched the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang movie when I was a kid but I haven't read the book.

And On Her Magisty's Secret Service remains my favorite book. That, combined with Casino Royale really provides perspective to Bond's relationship with women.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Dalton NEVER carried the physical part, neither did Moore.
Connery sold that part.
Bronson carried it because of his style and the fight scene in Goldeneye was quite good.
Craig is on a whole other level,
he not only carries the role physically, but his persona and mannerisim makes you think he can handle anything that comes his way.
Truly he is the Bond that "every man wants to be and women wanna be with".
The intensity in his eyes shows that he IS Bond during filming.
He is a great actor, no doubt.